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pakish
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Topic: Star Wars Posted: May 19 2005 at 12:45 |
I think most of people agree that the old movies are better than the new ones but...
Chapter III is much better than the first and second
What do you think?
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JrKASperov
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Posted: May 19 2005 at 14:46 |
i disagree with the first theory. From the new movies, part I is much and much worse than part II, which in factis even better than parts 4,5&6. Why you ask? Better story, more believable acting, fleshed out characters, all that in a film that isn't as long-winded yet still not too fast-paced.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of the first three movies, and think they're awesome, biut according to me, part II is just a masterpiece. Just wait till I've seen III. 
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spectral
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Posted: May 19 2005 at 16:44 |
Pt 2 is awful, really bad. watched it again with friends the other night and it is embarrassing. the acting is dreadful and the script is dire. Only the last 30 minutes is worth watching. Lucas can dream up a good story, but the man cannot construct a good script or direct particularly well.
Empire is the best film IMO. Lucas didn't direct it and he only wrote the story for that one, not the script.
I'm still looking forward to seeing Pt 3 though.
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Cygnus X-2
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Posted: May 19 2005 at 16:54 |
Episode III is indescribable to me. I saw it last night, and I left the theater speechless. I'm still in heavy analysis of what I saw.
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spectral
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Posted: May 19 2005 at 16:57 |
Cygnus X-2 wrote:
Episode III is indescribable to me. I saw it last night, and I left the theater speechless. I'm still in heavy analysis of what I saw. |
It's fair to say you liked it then!!! I'm probably going to see it next week...
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Ben2112
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Posted: May 19 2005 at 19:51 |
God, I can't wait. I'm a Star Wars fanatic from waaay back, but like many, Episodes I & II were highly disappointing to me, especially II. How can anyone say the acting was good in that movie?!?!  It's among the worst I've ever seen in a big budget movie. Not that the first three movies had great acting (Exhibit A: Mark Hamill) but it was tolerable. However, I have very high hopes for Pt. III, but I hate crowded theaters, so I'm gonna wait a couple of weeks. Oh the torture!
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King of Loss
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Posted: May 19 2005 at 20:42 |
Oh man, I really can not wait the Movie, I'm going to hang out at the movies on Sunday in the midst of Star Wars fanaticism and hanging out with my old man at the same time. I just can't wait 
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Arsillus
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Posted: May 19 2005 at 21:14 |
I hope it's better than Episode I and II. Episode I was pretty weak, and II was a big step up, and from what I've heard, III is supposed to be the best of all the new ones. But still, nothing can touch the originals.
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King of Loss
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Posted: May 19 2005 at 21:23 |
yea, obviously not. No one can touch a younger Harrison Ford
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JrKASperov
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Posted: May 20 2005 at 03:23 |
The acting was better in part II. Look at Anakin who is VERY WELL played as a puber who is badly raised: having no morals, still being a kid, trying to be good but failing. And the script is woow... Pay attention to what political scheming Palpatine is up to, and I ask you after seeing part III where all of his plots unfold, is that story not DEEP? Far more so than the old trilogy; old man finds chosen one, chosen one trains and fails, then trains some more and succeeds. Sure the athmosphere was good, but so is it in part II, it's just different. And so it should be, the times were different!
I stick with the idea part II is the best yet and some people can't understand that because they desperately want the same. Nope, no progression. 
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Ben2112
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Posted: May 20 2005 at 04:23 |
I was absolutely dumbfounded when I checked the compiled reviews on Yahoo for this movie. It seems the critics actually LIKE IT!!! I don't think any other SW movie has had that distinction, and certainly not the last two. I'm not sure I'm gonna be able to wait a couple of weeks.
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James Lee
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Posted: May 20 2005 at 05:02 |
Hamill had his faults (poor acting and didn't age well, for instance), but IMAO both the young and teen Anakin were truly poorly cast...I was hoping they'd replace the irritatingly one-dimensional Hayden C. for part 3, but no such luck. Hopefully he's had some training since episode 2.
I also had trouble taking Samuel L. and Liam seriously in a Star Wars setting (though it was no worse than Mr. Colt 45 as Lando), but was pleasantly surprised how well Ewan did as a young Obi-wan.
Is it my imagination, or does Ian MacDiarmid actually look younger with every new episode? 
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arkitek
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Posted: May 20 2005 at 08:18 |
i am not really bothered about wether the script is good or wether the acting is cruddy! as long as it is an entertaining film then who cares!
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Ben2112
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Posted: May 20 2005 at 16:16 |
James Lee wrote:
Is it my imagination, or does Ian MacDiarmid actually look younger with every new episode?  |
Must be the power of the Dark Side  .
I agree with you about Hayden and Ewan. Ewan and Ian have definitely been the shining stars of the first two prequels at least. I was amazed at how close Ewan had gotten Alec Guinness' voice, mannerisms & personality. And Ian, well, he seems born to play the role of Palpatine. From what I've read of the reviews for Ep. III, Ian is fantastic again.
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Heptade
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Posted: May 20 2005 at 16:45 |
(though it was no worse than Mr. Colt 45 as Lando),
Not to mention the horror that is Jar Jar Binks. And
did anyone notice that the evil trade embargo dudes
in the first one had faux-Japanese accents? I really
started to doubt Lucas's sanity after seeing that
movie.
However, the new one is getting uniformly good
reviews, so I'm excited.
I just wish the movies had an electronic soundtrack,
like Vangelis did for Blade Runner. John Williams is
fine, but I get tired of orchestral scores.
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goose
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Posted: May 20 2005 at 18:41 |
Nah, I can't imagine Star Wars with anything but orchestral scores. It's too "traditional", I suppose.
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goose
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Posted: May 20 2005 at 18:46 |
JrKASperov wrote:
The acting was better in part II. Look at Anakin who is VERY WELL played as a puber who is badly raised: having no morals, still being a kid, trying to be good but failing. And the script is woow... Pay attention to what political scheming Palpatine is up to, and I ask you after seeing part III where all of his plots unfold, is that story not DEEP?
I stick with the idea part II is the best yet and some people can't understand that because they desperately want the same. Nope, no progression. 
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Good acting? It seems terribly obvious (as somebody said, one-dimensional) acting to me - everyone knows what's going to happen so if Anakin's personality was meant to hint at that, it could at least have been subtle. For Star Wars films I do want the same type - that's what Star Wars films are for. The original three were never groundbreaking in terms of stories/acting/scripts but they were damn fun.
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James Lee
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Posted: May 20 2005 at 18:47 |
 ^ I can't fault William's scores too much, but something a bit more futuristic or at least exotic mught have helped in some places (i.e., the cantina scenes, the ewok celebration, etc...) because it can be hard to take those scenes seriously with that silly background music.
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synthguy
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Posted: May 20 2005 at 18:57 |
I think that the first one, "Episode IV" had an
atmosphere to it the other films lack. Although all of
the films, thought I see them to be somewhat sentimental,
have an "edge" to them.
To hell with the Ewoks.
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Carakhallo
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Posted: May 20 2005 at 19:48 |
I´ve also watched again Episode II this week with my girlfriend (yes, she likes prog and is a Star Wars´fanatic ) and the acting is so bad, specially young Anakin. I think they selected that actor only because he can stare furiously. And, come on... the way the story is told, Amidala must be kind of stupid. One man that says the perfect way to rule a galaxy is a tyranny, that after loosing his mother slaughters the whole tuskan establishment.... and she falls in love with him!!
I´m dying to watch Episode III....
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