The Political Compass Test

Garion81 wrote:  As for the water?  I eat meat only twice a week. How does that save water? Becuase it takes about 1/10th of the water to grow an equivelant amount of vegitables than it does to water livestock.  If we all just ate 1-2 meals less a week without meat the amount of water saved would be enourmous.  You live in a very green an wet part of the world.  I don't and water is already becoming a major issue. It is funny that we in the most arid areas use more water than the people in the source we draw it from.   BTW I do not do have any landscaping. Thanks for your comments as always.

Funny, if you eat meat, you save water you say, but the animal you don't eat stays alive and will continue to drink 10 times more water, than the equivalent amount of vegetables, also that animal uses oxygen and creates CO2 in the process, a well known factor in the Global warming problem.

Furter more, the vegetables you eat, do excactly the opposite, they transform CO2 into oxygen, hereby lowering the CO2 percentage of the air.

So by eating as much meat as possible, and as little vegetables as possible, the world can counter some of the enviremental/global issues as global warming and water shortage.

Economic -5.25

Social -2.67

Sort of what I expected too!

You guys should not have interesting threads while I'm on holidays

Sweetnighter wrote: Tony R wrote: Amen Peter.Whenever I try to make some of the points you've just made (but not as eloquently) I just get shouted down for being unrealistic.I never use my car for journeys of less than 10 miles-although using local public transport seems just as polluting. People today are just plain ignorant.Where once I would have seen a raised hand of apology for some minor indiscretion I know receive the full bore of hate and bile and a raised fist.We live in a society where it is almost a sin to suggest that someone is "wrong"-what hope have we for future generations? What hope have we for the environment when the vast majority of ordinary citizens vote on tax issues? Green policies cost money and above all demand time and effort.We live in a world of ignorant,selfish greedy bastards. PS: Sweetnighter-In my book anyone who admits/discusses being anything other than Working Class deserves a slap.Admitting one is Middle Class is just the same as admitting you are an arrogant,thoughtless,bigoted snob.Grow up. Tony, I think its great that you make a practice of doing those things and it propably serves both your health and your wallet well. What makes you think that if Greens were elected that they wouldn't be "ignorant, selfish, greedy bastards?" My class status is definitely something I'm allowed to talk about if I want. If I was rich, I'd come out and say it, even admidst all this opposition to the wealthy. It is very irrational, highly judgemental, and actually very bigoted. What if I were to rephrase your statement in this way? "Admitting one is Asian is just the same as admitting you are an arrogant,thoughtless,bigoted snob.Grow up." Put in that context, it certainly sounds bigoted to me. My class status says nothing of my personal qualities. Is a poor man a more righteous person because he has less money? Call me an idiot, but somehow the amount of money one has never seemed to be an indication of their character in my view.

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My class status is definitely something I'm allowed to talk about if I want

To be so conscious of your "class status",in fact to refer to "class" and "status",thus indicating one's self-designated rank in society is snobbish,arrogant and insulting.You love your labels don't you Sweetnighter? Your example is banale...

...... is there a stamp on your passport that says "Class:Middle"? Your plane ticket might give an indication but your passport-never.

Sweetnighter wrote: Rob The Good wrote: Can't say I'm at all fond of Socialism, especially when you see what it's done to New Zealand... Really? What has it done to New Zealand? From your political compass score you seem very conservative, surprisingly so.

Maybe Greenpeace  Hah, just kiddin'.

New Zealand, I have to say is better off WITH SOCIALISM.

VC ... just saw your comment, I'm a bit of an oxymoron myself ... I'm certainly making a surprise grab for the lead in the "got-no-life" stakes ... maybe I'll go home and watch Taichi take on the Digimon Emperor with my son ... anyway for anyone who cares ... here's an update

Ben2112
Economic Left/Right: -2.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.82

King Of Loss
Economic Left/Right: -5.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.62

Arsillus
Economic Left/Right: -2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.15

Tuxon
Economic Left/Right: -6.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.97

Cygnus X-2
Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.69

Sweetnighter
Economic Left/Right: 4.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.21

BebieM
Economic Left/Right: 1.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.26

Trotsky
Economic Left/Right: -8.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.38

Maani
Economic Left/Right: -6.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.67

Danbo
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.49

Heirophant
Economic Left/Right: 0.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.77

Velvetclown
Economic Left/Right: -5.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.56

James Lee
Economic Left/Right: -6.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.62

Peter
Economic Left/Right: -5.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: - 6.15

Blacksword
Economic Left/Right: -5.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.62

Rob The Good
Economic Left/Right: 2.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 4.31

Tony R
Economic Left/Right: -6.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.10

Jim Garten
Economic Left/Right: -5.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.36

Nacho
Economic Left/Right: -7.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.72

Sygyzy
Economic left/right -7.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian -6.51

Gleam
Economic left/right = 0.75
Social libertarian/authoritarian = -1.03

Garion81
Economic Left/Right: -2.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.82

Beau Heem
Economic Left/Right: -5.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.56

Joren
Economic Left/Right: -6.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.85

Sean Trane
Economic -5.25
Social -2.67

Illustrated
Economic Left/Right: -4.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.59

JrKASperov
Economic Left/Right: -8.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.56

Well guys , thanks for a good two hours reading last night! I had a major time reading this thread and I love the informative, intelligent posts from all of you (I regret that some did not take part into it, namely 3F8, DB, KE9 ,Dick Heath, Gdub and a few more outspoken members) even if I obviously do not agree with the more right wing economics opinions. I was a little surprised that some members would not be more conservatives/authoritarian but it much better this way.

I was also pleasantly surprised that most Americans  (US)  were more inclined on controlled (however lightly and as opposed to totally free and unregulated) market economy. Makes me wonder how those Bush neocons manage to get elected (outside of cheating in the state of Florida , that is).

The results of such a test comforts me that the huge majority of prog fans are intelligent and well reasonned (and that does include those more right-winged inclined progheads) and gives me a warm feeling of purpose for participating in this forum. Thanks guys!!

Is it prog that makes that most of us (in this forum) are left-winged economically and libertarian? Can our love of progressive musics be linked to more progressive politics?

My personal views are relatively along the lines of my test results but as a ex-left wing (I was labor union leader representing my fellow workers in negociations with management in my old job), I have become more disenchanted with this kind of politics. Mostly because when a left winged party comes to power, it practices politics that are very close to centrism and this is also true for when right winged politic parties in power!This is also why Labour Party in the UK does not really appear all that left wing politics to most Continental Europeans .

Sweetnighter wrote: Tony R wrote: Sweetnighter wrote: Tony R wrote: Amen Peter.Whenever I try to make some of the points you've just made (but not as eloquently) I just get shouted down for being unrealistic.I never use my car for journeys of less than 10 miles-although using local public transport seems just as polluting. People today are just plain ignorant.Where once I would have seen a raised hand of apology for some minor indiscretion I know receive the full bore of hate and bile and a raised fist.We live in a society where it is almost a sin to suggest that someone is "wrong"-what hope have we for future generations? What hope have we for the environment when the vast majority of ordinary citizens vote on tax issues? Green policies cost money and above all demand time and effort.We live in a world of ignorant,selfish greedy bastards. PS: Sweetnighter-In my book anyone who admits/discusses being anything other than Working Class deserves a slap.Admitting one is Middle Class is just the same as admitting you are an arrogant,thoughtless,bigoted snob.Grow up. Tony, I think its great that you make a practice of doing those things and it propably serves both your health and your wallet well. What makes you think that if Greens were elected that they wouldn't be "ignorant, selfish, greedy bastards?" My class status is definitely something I'm allowed to talk about if I want. If I was rich, I'd come out and say it, even admidst all this opposition to the wealthy. It is very irrational, highly judgemental, and actually very bigoted. What if I were to rephrase your statement in this way? "Admitting one is Asian is just the same as admitting you are an arrogant,thoughtless,bigoted snob.Grow up." Put in that context, it certainly sounds bigoted to me. My class status says nothing of my personal qualities. Is a poor man a more righteous person because he has less money? Call me an idiot, but somehow the amount of money one has never seemed to be an indication of their character in my view.  re: My class status is definitely something I'm allowed to talk about if I want To be so conscious of your "class status",in fact to refer to "class" and "status",thus indicating one's self-designated rank in society is snobbish,arrogant and insulting.You love your labels don't you Sweetnighter? Your example is banale... ...... is there a stamp on your passport that says "Class:Middle"? Your plane ticket might give an indication but your passport-never. Tony, relax... I only said that my family is of middle class to refute any claim you'd make against my being ignorant of people's need to make a living and the struggle that that is for so many people. I'm not saying anything more than that. What do you mean by being "conscious" of my "class status"? Is it wrong to know how much money you have? And no, there isn't any indication of my income on my passport... i really don't know why you brought that up. And what about the label? I guess it just doesn't mean anything to me. If it has some underlying connotations of snobbery to you, so be it, but thats not the way I intended that to come out. I guess it would have been better to say "My family is of a moderate income" or something, but it just never occured to me that that'd be an issue. I think you're assumptions of what I'm saying and your generalizations of people of particular incomes says something about your shallowness in trying to understand differences between people if anything

It is you that is shallow Swetnighter.You treat this like an intellectual excercise,I see the subject as being far more important than that.People are really suffering out there because of capitalism and you expect me to respond "nicely" to your cold logic.
You really do not get this do you?

I know that debating these issues with you on a Prog Rock forum are not going to change anything but I demand the right to attack the cause of life's ills.Your problem is that of being too comfortable-you seem not to be affected by the underlying emotions of these issues,rather like a surgeon calling time on a patient he can no longer treat.
Referring to your self as "Middle Class" for any reason is so crass-hence the reason I see you as being comfortably numb to the issues.I am not making generalisations-I do not need to.I could possibly earn more than you so I am not coming from that angle.