Six degrees of Inner Turbulence

Really?  I understood that the reason that most people register in this fourm is because Dream Theater is in the Archives.  They are prog, no doubt, but they attract ELP haters like maggots to a murder victim.  I don't know why.

Most people here is for Prog Rock and not for Prog Metal, check the polls.

Prog Polls
Progressive Rock Forum : Prog Polls

Topic: The Greatest ever

Poll Question: Is Dream Theater on the way to becoming the greatest prog band ever? Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics Yes 27 [15.88%] No 143 [84.12%]

Amazing no? 84.12 members of this forum don't like Dream Theater or at least don't consider them a great band.

Lets see an ELP poll

Poll Question: your feelings towards ELP?
Poll Choice	Votes	Poll Statistics
i’m three fates	0	[0.00%]
i’m karnevil9	0	[0.00%]
i’m richardh	2	[6.67%]
sustain them to death	0	[0.00%]
strongly recommend them	6	[20.00%]
recommend them	3	[10.00%]
elp are very good	6	[20.00%]
elp are good	8	[26.67%]
elp are not essential	4	[13.33%]
elp should barely be here in progarchives	0	[0.00%]
elp should not be in the progarchives	0	[0.00%]
elp is the worst prog band i know	1	[3.33%]

What a difference, 76,67% of the voters in Prog Archives believe ELP are Good, very good, reccomend them or strongly reccomend them against 13.33% who believe they are not essential and 3.33% who believe they are the worst band ever.

Have you ever read the threads and seen how many people dislikes DT here?

By the way, only a few names defend them, the vast majority dislikes them.

Iván

Useful Idiot said:

Turning the DT threads into pointless fights like this one isn't helping anything, Ivan.

It´s not a fight Bryan, it's just an opinion, but some people believe that what they like are dogmas that we all must accept.

When there were many threads about ELP, evrybody protested and there was a thread about it named ELP OVERLOAD which is still in the Abuse section and Cygnus X-2 said:

I'd have to say in recent days/weeks, this site has been getting overloaded with ELP threads, mainly because of KE9... who should know when to stop.

And the difference is that all members here accept ELP is a progressive Rock band, KE9 was blamed with some reason but he was talking about a 100% Prog band. But even he accepted that there are other great bands and albums.

Yesterday I felt worst when I saw in the first Prog Lounge page SEVEN (7) threads about Dream Theater.

Isn't this worst overload than in the ELP Case? Aren't most of the members tired of Dream Theater? Isn't there a six pages thread about hate against Dream Theater.

Like it or not, most progheads including myself don't accept that Dream Theater is Prog' band, and this overload is a form of abuse.

I'm a Genesis fan, many are Yes fans other's Jethro Tull fans and you never see such number of threads about those bands in the main page. Not even the ELP overload was as big and abusive as this one, because all you read is how great is Dream Theater, that they are the best prog' band ever, that we must accept that this is where Prog' is going to.

It's time to stop this, we come here to talk about PROGRESSIVE ROCK, not exclusively about one band that most members don't like, if this follows soon there will be no room for other threads and many long time members will leave.

Iván

These fights prove that there's something special about Dream Theater records ... they polarize. It's the same as with Floyd/The Wall ... now is that album good or bad? Well, it is both, if you ask me. Objectively, it's a masterpiece ... must be. Every constructive (not entirely emotive, that is) review proves it. The same principle applies to the second CD of SDoIT, although it's "masterpiece rank" is not nearly as profound as Floyd/The Wall, that's obvious.

@Syntharachnid: I think that your theory about non-prog metal fans coming here and posting 5 star DT reviews is just not true. I know quite some non-prog metal fans, and they all dislike DT. Maybe it has something to do with how old you are, and thus which bands you grow up with. I don't like Yes and Genesis, but I consider myself a real prog fan. I love King Crimson, from ItCotCK to TPtB, if you will. What I'm trying to say: There is no selection of prog artists you can define and say: anyone who doesn't like that is no prog fan. At the same time, it is not possible to list some artists and say: If you call that prog, you know nothing about prog music.

Maybe one day we can throw prog / avantgarde together and just all celebrate "Music for open minds"!

Syntharachnid wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: These fights prove that there's something special about Dream Theater records ... they polarize. It's the same as with Floyd/The Wall ... now is that album good or bad? Well, it is both, if you ask me. Objectively, it's a masterpiece ... must be. Every constructive (not entirely emotive, that is) review proves it. The same principle applies to the second CD of SDoIT, although it's "masterpiece rank" is not nearly as profound as Floyd/The Wall, that's obvious. @Syntharachnid: I think that your theory about non-prog metal fans coming here and posting 5 star DT reviews is just not true. I know quite some non-prog metal fans, and they all dislike DT. Maybe it has something to do with how old you are, and thus which bands you grow up with. I don't like Yes and Genesis, but I consider myself a real prog fan. I love King Crimson, from ItCotCK to TPtB, if you will. What I'm trying to say: There is no selection of prog artists you can define and say: anyone who doesn't like that is no prog fan. At the same time, it is not possible to list some artists and say: If you call that prog, you know nothing about prog music. Maybe one day we can throw prog / avantgarde together and just all celebrate "Music for open minds"! Sorry if I've upset somebody.  In fact, however, I'm very lenient about what's prog.  There isn't much rock music that I will just throw away into a pile labelled "non-prog crap".  I was just listening to Tommy, and noting the progressive tendencies on the album. Oh yeah, and I love your idea about throwing all artistic music together under one category of "open minded music".  I'm a firm believer in the fact that there are two types of music: that which is truly artistic and that which isn't. Third thing, it seems to me that I have unintentionally made at least two people mad during the course of this thread, so I'm going to leave now.

To get off topic here: you're making a very strict value judgement in the second paragraph and I'm not sure  how it's to be understood in the light of the first one. But what's first and formost, how can you defend a view based on such a strict value judgement?

It's really not about DT; the people here on BOTH sides are taking it much too emotionally and alternating interesting arguments with bad arguments and simple insults. I really want to avoid that.    

Snow Dog wrote:  Progressive Rock Forum : Prog Polls Topic: The Greatest ever < name=frmPoll =poll_cast_vote.asp method=post> Poll Question: Is Dream Theater on the way to becoming the greatest prog band ever? Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics Yes 27 [15.88%] No 143 [84.12%] Amazing no? 84.12 members of this forum don't like Dream Theater or at least don't consider them a great band. The conclusions you come to based on this poll are wrong Ivan. It obviously means that 84.12 % of us dont think that DT will be the Best Prog band ever! Not that they dont like them! I voted no myself for example, but I absolutely love DT, I cant wait for the next album(well I can , I have to anyway) I just dont think theyll be the greatest Prog band ever!!!!

My sentiments exactly.

No I dont think Ill read all that thread again! Going on ther poll though doesnt prove your point!

Maybe you would like to start a who loves who hates DT poll. You could make your pioint then......coluld include a "they're ok" option too

ivan_2068 wrote: Manunkind wrote: Snow Dog wrote:  Progressive Rock Forum : Prog Polls Topic: The Greatest ever < name=frmPoll =poll_cast_vote.asp method=post> Poll Question: Is Dream Theater on the way to becoming the greatest prog band ever? Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics Yes 27 [15.88%] No 143 [84.12%] Amazing no? 84.12 members of this forum don't like Dream Theater or at least don't consider them a great band. The conclusions you come to based on this poll are wrong Ivan. It obviously means that 84.12 % of us dont think that DT will be the Best Prog band ever! Not that they dont like them! I voted no myself for example, but I absolutely love DT, I cant wait for the next album(well I can , I have to anyway) I just dont think theyll be the greatest Prog band ever!!!! My sentiments exactly. Read the posts written in that thread, those are the voters. For example. read the posts on that thread by: Popesta, Bluetailfly, Dreamer, Certified, Easy Living, Tuxon, Radioactive toy, Shatterwolf, Peter, Danbo, Man with Hat, Reed Lover, Richardh, Lunarscape, Chorus of One, Fuzzy Dude, Jim Garten, Joren, Bumheed7, NetsNJFan, Miaugion, Crimson Prince and Synthguy only in the two first pages out of seven in that thread. 23 members opinions against DT in different degrees just in two out of seven pages. Iván

 more like 21, Easy Livin and Bluetailfly appreciate DT

This is kinda ridiculous, but...

Okay, first two pages - Bluetailfly (sic - "I thought DT were darn good"), Gentle Ronnie, Velvetclown, Easy Livin Frechie, Arkitek, Ben2112, antisilence, billyshears67, terramystic, Cygnus X-2, Metropolis, Valarius, Calvo, Greenback, Snow Dog, Sigod

17 members opinions for DT in different degrees. And I wouldve added mine instantly if I had not been on a vacation from the forums then.

Yes, 17 is less than 21, but this kinda disproves your claim that 90% of the people here are against DT. And yeah, an emphatic NO to perceiving DT as no 1 prog band of all time does not have to mean the person expressing this opinion does not like DT. My opinion would have been an emphatic NO too, and I love DT.

Peace