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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2005 at 15:37

Economic left/right -7.75

Social Libertarian/Authoritarian -6.51

Seems accurate enough to me



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2005 at 17:17
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

All:

Tony R, James Lee, Tuxon and myself all fall in the same quadrant, and not too far apart.

I find that incredibly interesting given Tony R's and James' rabid "atheism" and tuxon and my strongly avowed spirituo-religious beliefs.

Any thoughts?

Peace.

I have discussed previously how I find it inexplicable that any Christian could have right-wing views and/or vote Republican/Conservative.

What it says,hopefully,is that the people you mention are all basically decent human beings who are sympathetic to other people that are not as well off as they are.It means that our first thought is never "what is in it for me?" but "how will this impact others?"
You dont need a Bible,Scripture a God or Spiritual Awareness to be like this-you just need to think  "if I was in that situation-what would I expect?"

The only bit of that dreadful film "The Day After Tomorrow" that I like is the bit where Mexico has refused to accept any more immigrants/refugees from America,

Think on that one all you Right-Wing Anti-Immigration Red Necks..Wink

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2005 at 18:31
wow, i agree with you on something reed, how abou that!

anti-immigration policies are so stupid. so much money wasted on what... preventing people from finding opportunity? whatever happened to "give me your tired, your hungry" anyway?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2005 at 18:33

Originally posted by Sweetnighter Sweetnighter wrote:

wow, i agree with you on something reed, how abou that!

anti-immigration policies are so stupid. so much money wasted on what... preventing people from finding opportunity? whatever happened to "give me your tired, your hungry" anyway?
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Reed? What you takin' about Ian?Tongue

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2005 at 18:37
if there's any doubt that you're not reed, lets take a look at your profile:
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i rest my case!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2005 at 19:06
Originally posted by danbo danbo wrote:

Your political compass

Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.49

Authoritarian
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Right
Libertarian

Danbo, you and I are pretty close, my score was:

Economic left/right = 0.75

Social libertarian/authoritarian = -1.03

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2005 at 19:11
Originally posted by Sweetnighter Sweetnighter wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by Sweetnighter Sweetnighter wrote:

Trotsky, I'm surprised how close to the bottom of the chart you are. Are you the anarcho-communist type that sees the gradual destruction of the state, as Marx predicted, and the following creation of a collectivist utopia? If you're more of the socialist type, then I'm surprised that you're so close to the bottom.

As a side, its funny how both you and I view the concept of "freedom" in such different ways.

That is because your views are rooted in political science and philosophy and not on experience. Big smile

I am also extremely glad to see that politically you are very much on your own,if these "scores" are truly representative.Going back to the original website,I see that you are on your own as far as the historical comparison is concerned too.Wink

You insist on being a nuisance with me, don't you?

I have this feeling that you think I'm one of these wealthy, middle-upper class intellectual types. If you do, let me tell you that you're mistaken. Although my mother and I live comfortably, we've undergone lots of finanancial hardship. My mother works in the stagehand's union in the downtown theatre district, and by no means is bring home anywhere near a six-digit yearly income. Paying for college is going to be very difficult when we have to start doing that in a few years, and I'm going to have to do quite a lot of work on the side to pay for it. When my parents were first divorced, my mother even used food stamps. With hefty financial aid and good grades, I have been able to attend a decent prep school near my house. I go to school with the richest, most spoiled brats you've ever met. They drive their escalades and their jaguars around like it was nothing. Trust me, I would be one to be a liberal.

Regardless, I am not, for a number of reasons. Yes, there is economic inequality, and there always will be, but that is not equatible with economic injustice. You only get out of the system what you put into it. Even through the worst of times my family members, many of whom are worse off than my mother once was, still believe that. Its an issue of self-confidence, and playing to those who work their hardest and do their best. Just because there are others who have more wealth than I does not, in my mind, give me or anybody else any moral right to take their well earned money. If that money that the rich have was not well earned, then their asses should be grilled in court for it. I'm not pro-business and I'm not pro-government. With power comes corruption, and the only way to eliminate that, so I believe, is through a balance of power. The American government has remained stable through a balance of three braches of government, but the balance of power between business, labor, and government has always been volatile. Whenever one reigns supreme, the people are bound to suffer. For this reason, I am not a conservative nor am I a liberal. Conservatives play to business interests, and liberals play to labor interests. I, for one, don't believe the government should be playing to any interests. Government everywhere should consist, in my mind, only of courts and police forces, designed solely to protect the rights of individuals everywhere....

...but i digress. If anybody wants to continue this discussion with me, send me a PM. In any case, I don't find your chide remarks amusing and your condesending attitude is really rather unnecessary.

Well said, good for you!

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2005 at 19:22

Wow, I expected more Americans to be taking this poll and posting well, +8s on economy and +4s on Authoratarian scale, but oh well...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2005 at 19:27

Your political compass

Economic Left/Right: -2.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.82



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2005 at 19:36
Originally posted by Garion81 Garion81 wrote:

Your political compass

Economic Left/Right: -2.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.82

You're more Groucho Marx than Karl,Garion.Though there are some stunning similarities

Garion............................................Karl Marx

Seperated at birth??? Wink



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2005 at 19:56
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by Garion81 Garion81 wrote:

Your political compass

Economic Left/Right: -2.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.82

You're more Groucho Marx than Karl,Garion.Though there are some stunning similarities

Garion............................................Karl Marx

Seperated at birth??? Wink

 

Sorry for my rough appearance but I have been sitting in a jail cell awaiting trial.  Been wearing that same suit for a year now!!! 

 

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2005 at 20:00
Originally posted by gleam gleam wrote:

Originally posted by danbo danbo wrote:

Your political compass

Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.49

Authoritarian
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Right
Libertarian

Danbo, you and I are pretty close, my score was:

Economic left/right = 0.75

Social libertarian/authoritarian = -1.03

 

Those of us who've had some experience have a bit of a harder edge and have kinda figured out what works. It's great to believe in something, but keeping an eye out for pie in the sky, usually leads to a big bird dropping coming down to blur your vision. I prefer reality to pipe dreams.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2005 at 20:00
Has Reed risen from the ashes

"Why say it cannot be done.....they'd be better doing pop songs?"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2005 at 20:11

Originally posted by The-Bullet The-Bullet wrote:

Has Reed risen from the ashes

or crawled back out from under his stone?Embarrassed

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2005 at 20:16
I think we should actually record all the results and try to average it out? Sound nice?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2005 at 20:23
no, that's the way we got Tony Blair

"Why say it cannot be done.....they'd be better doing pop songs?"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2005 at 21:03

Tony:

You said, "I have discussed previously how I find it inexplicable that any Christian could have right-wing views and/or vote Republican/Conservative.  What it says, hopefully, is that the people you mention are all basically decent human beings who are sympathetic to other people that are not as well off as they are. It means that our first thought is never 'what is in it for me?' but 'how will this impact others?'."

In his book, "God's Politics: Why the Right Gets It Wrong and the Left Doesn't Get It," Rev. Jim Wallis asks, "When did Jesus become pro-war, pro-rich, pro-American and a selective moralist?"  He points out that the agenda of the so-called "Religious Right" is "issue based" - and even then on only two or three issues: abortion, homosexuality (including gay marriage) and stem cell research (i.e., science vs. faith).  And these are the only "moral" issues as defined by the "Religious Right."

Yet Wallis points out that the Bible contains over 3,000 verses about poverty - more than any other single issue in the entire Scripture - which is the issue most spoken of by Jesus as well.  So shouldn't poverty be a "moral issue?"  The Scripture also admonishes us to be "guardians" of the earth - not rapers, pillagers and polluters, but guardians.  So shouldn't the environment be a "moral issue?"  And the list goes on.

All I am really getting at is that I applaud and feel the need to underscore and emphasize your comment that "I find it inexplicable that any Christian could have right-wing views and/or vote Republican/Conservative" (or, at least, for that part of the R/C platform that is "controlled" by the agenda of the Religious Right or otherwise "anti-people").

Peace.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2005 at 05:15
Amen 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2005 at 06:01

Economic Left/Right: -5.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.56



Well...

Not surprised at all...

Arguably, some of the questions were rather unsuccesful...

e.g. "It's fine for society to be open about sex, but these days it's going too far."
             If you disagree with this clause, does it mean that you don't not see "it going too far" or does it mean that "it isn't fine for society to be open about sex"?
              What if someone would really think that it is bad for society to be open about sex, what could he/she possibly answer?


Not a bad test, though. Could've been better, anyway.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2005 at 13:24
Poverty is a moral issue.
The people how carp on about having to pay up so that Welfare and Benefits can be paid to the needy are disgusting.And certainly not Christian.
It is an easy option for me-only vote for political parties who want to stamp out poverty,help the needy and have a fair society.Any Christian who votes purely on the issue of reducing taxation needs to take a good long look at themselves.If that is what you feel strongly about then Ok-but dont be a hypocrite and profess to be a Christian.Dead
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