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Under ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 389 |
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It is time for a revolutionary act. We take out all the stars and every reviewer should rate the album again. Secondly new album can be reviewed after tehir release but can be rated at least a half year after their release. REVOLUTION!
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Bilek ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: July 05 2005 Location: Turkey Status: Offline Points: 1484 |
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Top albums cannot be limited to 5... There are far more "essential" albums, in every sense of the word... As for a quick top 10, I may list: In the Court of the Crimson King As I said, it depends on many factors, and both the bands, and the albums may vary from time to time. For me, there can be a top 100 list, for instance, and absolutely different from progarchives list (free from "most" prog-metal and neo-prog s**t, that is to say!) |
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
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bertburt ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 12 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 142 |
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I think many ratings here get too subjective. Obviously subjectivity drives one's opinions, but perhaps one may go over the top in this fashion. It's gotten to the point that I pass over reviews (usually) that have five stars. A few examples of my own subjective faults:
When Misplaced Childhood came out, I was hugely emotionally attached to it since it somewhat mirrored what was going on with myself at the time. It's the only cassette I played for a few months. I was extolling its virtues to everyone within earshot, only to have odd glances returned to me. Hearing it many years later with my head in a different place, it seems to be nothing special to me at all anymore. Back then, all the rough spots in the recording were obscured by my emotional response to the lyrics. The entire theme seems somewhat silly to me now.
The first prog album I owned was Nursery Cryme. It opened the door to this genre. Because of this, I've always loved this album, even though it has its rough moments and the production leaves a lot to be desired. To give it a five star rating would be misleading to others since I have an affinity to it mainly because of timing, but my urge would still be to overrate it. Gentle Giant's Octopus. The only album at present I would give five stars to. I was introduced to this way back when I was looking for some challenging music. This fit the bill and then some. This to me is perfection. That being said, I can understand why some would not find it appealing at all, and a five star review might not be true to its worth (but I still think it's perfect
I guess what I'm trying to say is that an equal amount of subjectivity and objectivity should be employed. Unfortunately, many reviews don't seem to have much objectivity at all. To me, an example of a fantastic review was done by BiGi about a month ago for A Trick of the Tail. Opinion strongly supported by fact. Just reading that review caused me to recognize great elements that I hadn't considered before. And this is an album I've heard hundreds of times. Every subjective comment is supported by why the song works, why certain moments are so beautiful, etc.
Anyway my two cents worth.... |
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Eetu Pellonpaa ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 17 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 4828 |
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I'll give fivers for: ANEKDOTEN "From Within" and "Gravity" BILL BRUFORD, EDDIE GOMES and RALPH TOWNER "If Summer Had It's Ghosts" HAWKWIND "Space Ritual" KING CRIMSON "The Night Watch" RUSH "Exit...Stage Left" THE SPACIOUS MIND "Cosmic Minds at Play" ... Ok, CtTE also.
"Mama's little rater" |
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OT Räihälä ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 514 |
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This is a bit silly topic, because it is always a question of opinions
and tastes only and they vary from time to time. For me, a five star
album is something that I wouldn't want to live without... and that may
change, too...
![]() Of the albums that I have listened frequently enough, I would give five stars to: Gentle Giant: Free Hand Yes: Close To The Edge Gentle Giant: Acquiring The Taste Stravinsky: Rite Of Spring (Best versions are by Ozawa, Knussen and Salonen) Szymanowski: 1st Violin Concerto (BBC SO/Mordkovich/Sinaiski come to mind) I can't think of many other records that would give me as much pleasure as those do. |
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BaldJean ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
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best "Rite of Spring" version is by Leonard Bernstein and the Israel Philharmonic Orchestra, in my opinion. there are a lot of faster versions, but none is that powerful. Bernstein really understood Stravinsky
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21496 |
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I love Bernstein - West Side Story is amazing, musically.
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OT Räihälä ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 514 |
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Even if I wouldn't say definitely the best, you could without hesitation add Bernstein to my list. I saw a TV documentary in the 80's of him rehearsing a youth orchestra with the Rite, and it was just hilarious. He knew the piece so inside out, and could lead every single musician by hand. Simply fantastic, end of. |
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Dragon Phoenix ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: August 31 2004 Status: Offline Points: 1475 |
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For me a five star album is one that if I somehow lost it, I would
immediately replace it again. Essential to my collection. No way that I
could limit that to five.
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TURK182! ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 12 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 131 |
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I totally agree with you!!!! |
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"A Flower!!!"
"If you go down to Willow farm, you look for Butterflies..." |
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Under ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 389 |
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OK, so no revolution. Hmm, it was a try. Subjectivity is the weak spot in every review, but on the other hand it is what makes a review personal and interesting to read. But the only album that keep coming around is Close to the Edge of Yes.
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Logos ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: March 08 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 2383 |
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CttE is DENIFITELY a 5-star album. As are Selling England by the Pound and Foxtrot as well, and let's not forget Red. I just consider these albums to be pure masterpieces in every sense of the word; the quality of musicianship and composition is of the best possible caliber, and their influence on prog music is immense.
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Tiresias ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 03 2005 Status: Offline Points: 560 |
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My opinion on this is that the albums should be rated on quality, not essentiality (?). This way, people don't look upon these ratings as "you need to have this/that"... however true it may be. It seems like nearly every band has a 5 star album... instead of cheapening the state of a 5 star (relatively speaking of course), I feel we could try to add an Honors rating system to any fiver, so that you have 5 normal stars for any exceptional album, and five gold stars for a masterpiece. However, ratings for these albums (fives only) could only be submitted by impartial, fair reviewers (i.e. Gatot, Maani, ProgLucky, M@X, various others who have proved their credibility and fairness.) Also, a 2/3 majority of this board must vote this album in by nomination from 25 members of the forum. This way, we can eliminate fanboyism, ratings sabotage, and all the albums we consider masterpieces would be equally represented. And if your favorite obscure, yet amazing album doesn't get in, chill out! Your favorite still has a stellar five star rating. Spread it around some and maybe it'll get done next year. Yes, this will happen yearly, like elections. I would like to see that the admins and board don't have to spend every day negotiating with lobbyists from the CTTE foundation (like it won't be first in line). |
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Wh'ghal ng'fth mglw'y Ry'leh, Cthulhu fhtagn...
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21496 |
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DracoMordag ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: June 01 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 58 |
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In the Court of the Crimson King (the beginning...)
Close to the Edge (the spreading) Dark Side of the Moon (the mass marketing) Scenes from a Memory (that which remains) those 4 albums are pretty essential. To define what I mean by essential, I mean that if someone asked "what is prog?" and wanted a non-verbal answer, I would play these 4 albums for them. There are quite a few others that I would use to define the genre (aka, are essential to the genre) but those are the 4 that come to mind for me. Edited by DracoMordag |
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29293 |
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ELP - Brain Salad Surgery Genesis - Foxtrot Yes - Close To The Edge Rush - Moving Pictures Muse - Absolution |
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Pseud0 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 31 2005 Status: Offline Points: 415 |
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rush - moving pictures
yes - close to the edge opeth - still life comus - first uterrance camel - mirage |
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21496 |
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Pseud0 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 31 2005 Status: Offline Points: 415 |
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transend ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 15 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 876 |
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The previous post says it ALL to me... Of all those CDs I would only rate CTTE as a 5 star, I would not give any of the others above 3. So there you have it...WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT TASTES, therefore, I see 'Paris' by supertramp as a 5 star CD, othere will only give it 2...with the amount of reviewers here, I fail to understand why people are upset by the amount of FIVE STAR reviews, we ALL think of a 'essential masterpiece' in a totally different way... Surprised theres not more really... |
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