cradle of filth

FloydWright wrote: Manunkind wrote: ot bad, if you can take the singer/screecher/screamer (if anyone here thinks Mikael Akerfeldt's growls are intolerable, well, you should listen to this guy, he sounds like Geddy Lee being strangled), but nothing special, either. ? It did take me a bit to get acclimated when I was first getting into metal, but I actually think Akerfeldt's one of the BEST growlers that there is in the entire genre, that I've heard thus far. Oh, and he's versatile to do excellent clean vox, too.

The thing is, a lot of proggers who aren't into that style of metal complain about Opeth's death vocals, and I've heard it said that they ruin the music countless times.  I think that's what Manunkind was suggesting.

I must admit I like everything I've heard by CoF - and as someone has pointed out, they are one of the most imitated bands of their genre (whatever that is). That doesn't mean that their clones should be considered prog, but CoF themselves strike me as being incredibly progressive. Check out Midian as a prime example - but you'll need to have a taste for "Black Metal" (or whatever you want to call it) first.

I couldn't give two hoots about a camp image - or any image, for that matter. It's the MUSIC that matters, and CoF go above and beyond the rest of the pack with their quasi-operatics and insane speed-blurs - and in the quieter moments show that they know more than a chord or two and have a deep feeling for their style.

Prog rock is where you find it.

Certif1ed wrote: I must admit I like everything I've heard by CoF - and as someone has pointed out, they are one of the most imitated bands of their genre (whatever that is). That doesn't mean that their clones should be considered prog, but CoF themselves strike me as being incredibly progressive. Check out Midian as a prime example - but you'll need to have a taste for "Black Metal" (or whatever you want to call it) first. I couldn't give two hoots about a camp image - or any image, for that matter. It's the MUSIC that matters, and CoF go above and beyond the rest of the pack with their quasi-operatics and insane speed-blurs - and in the quieter moments show that they know more than a chord or two and have a deep feeling for their style. Prog rock is where you find it.

Ebony Lake - "On the Eve of the Grimly Inventive". Quite prog and much more original than CoF.

The problem with that last statement of yours is that you can find prog in places even stranger than those normally frequented by Mr Filth and his entourage. Even THE  black metal icon Darkthrone could be called prog since their music is not really about 'attack' that you normally associate with punk-derived, black metal or death metal, but more about ambience and a hypnotic, slightly tripped-out quality.  

And Cannibal Corpse are said to have a very idiosyncratic approach to writing riffs (no pun intended). Something they developed on their own. But does that make them prog?

Certif1ed wrote: I couldn't give two hoots about a camp image - or any image, for that matter.

Absolutely (although if a band has a stupid image I'd be less inclined to give them a chance in the first place), but to me their music itself sounds camp - I'd say the same for prog bands (well, ELP, anyway ), but it sounds camp in a distinctively metal sort of way, like Iron Maiden - I don't mean they sound like Iron Maiden, but the camp factor hits me in the same way, if that makes any sense .

firth_of_Fifth wrote: I really love midian...I think if  you gave a band like Genesis the same tunes (albeit , it would be a much darker genesis) you'd all love it. The tunes are very classical/medieval influenced which is what I love about prog. You just have to see past the image of the band and blast beats (as they arent very prog, they do work in the context of COF though). But seriously though. The girl on the cover of midian is the reason I own it on CD and Vinyl...

 oh yes, she's the only prog element in CoF and boy is she prog!