Audiophiles?

Sure, but with a turntable as good as the Pink Triangle, tapes are a last resort anyway.

Mind you, I have recorded off the PT on to my Pioneer using metal tapes and then played the two in synch, challenging people to 1) tell the difference 2) tell which is which. Most can just detect a tiny difference but they can't always say which is the tape!

You say in an earlier post that you are contemplating a Linn LP12 - for God's sake LISTEN before you buy. In the wrong system, they can sound truly foul.

Tony Fisher wrote: Sure, but with a turntable as good as the Pink Triangle, tapes are a last resort anyway. Mind you, I have recorded off the PT on to my Pioneer using metal tapes and then played the two in synch, challenging people to 1) tell the difference 2) tell which is which. Most can just detect a tiny difference but they can't always say which is the tape! You say in an earlier post that you are contemplating a Linn LP12 - for God's sake LISTEN before you buy. In the wrong system, they can sound truly foul.

On a good and neutral system, Linn LP12 will sound good.
Cause it's neutral and musical.
There's no "compensation" to do!

Oliver, the one thing an LP12 is NOT is neutral. The Pink Triangle Anniversary is utterly neutral (which is why many American audiophiles hate it), the Roxsan Xerxes is fabulous too, the Nottingham Analogue Annalog just disappears and lets the music flow. LP 12s, even with endless upgrades, still sound very coloured even though some are atttracted to the rhythmical and dynamic sound. My old Systemdek IIX which I have in my second system sounds, to my ears, better than a friend's Linn with Valhalla upgrade. As for the Pink, well it murders the Linn. Linns can sound quite good if paired with Naim amps but I inherited a full Linn set up with Linn amps and Isobarik speakers and it was PANTS!

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The cartridge in my LP12 was a Linn Karma in an Ittok arm. It was bought by my father in about 1985. I inherited it in 1992. At that time I had a Systemdek IIX with Mission 774 and Ortofon MC10 and Elite MCP555 cartridges going into a Nytech pre amp/tuner and Nytech power amp and finally to a pair of Tangent RS4 speakers. I still have this system as a spare. It was quite old but it still outperformed the Linn system comfortably to my ears so the Linn went. The new system is clearly better than my spare but not by that much considering the price difference.

I do not hold with the view that tube amps are that good except as room heaters. They are too warm and slow for my ears with a few exceptions. Audiolabs are so clean, neutral, fast and powerful and Naims are also excellent - both transistor models.

I generally like MCs better than MMs. I have no need of a vibration canceller as they are a fad - the acrylic platter on the PT Anniversary plus the excellent suspension and record clamp are highly effective and dampen vibration well enough on my Soundstyle table. Power cables are standard PT issue.

Finally, don't confuse rhythmical and dynamic with musical. The Linn is not musical in my view because instruments don't sound natural on it.

I like the Planar3 - my best friend has one and swears by it. For a fairly cheap deck, it's excellent value, as are the Project range. But it's not a patch on a PT Anniversary, SME, Nottingham Annalogue Hyperspace or a Roxsan Xerxes. All of these could lay claim to be best deck and I auditioned them all before choosing the Anniversary for myself.

I have not heard the Helius Orion arm myself but I have heard nothing but good reports on it so I suspect Karnevil9 will be very happy with his own Anniversary. Where in the UK are you? I e-mailed the PT's designer (Arthur Khoubesserian) recently and he tells me that he may put the Anniversary back into production and he's developed and upgrade for it. Interesting!!

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Reed Lover wrote: Oliver: time to post them pictures,mate. It is the only way to end this!

Dear reed,

I'm afraid this would end nothing!
These guys pretend enormous bullsh*ts, and i keep on explaining them the basics!

"Finally, don't confuse rhythmical and dynamic with musical. The Linn is not musical in my view because instruments don't sound natural on it."

I think the Linn reveals the defaults of your system!

Why are you getting nervous?
can't we discuss quietly?

Sorry, i haven't a numeric photo device yet...

Soon, i promise!

And what do you want me to take a pic?
My system, incuding the Studer, and the Jolida with the new wbt on it?
Or my best friend's system, including the counterpoint sa5000 preamp, goldmund mimesis IV and naka 700zxl?

And you, btw, please take a pic of your naka 1000 zxl (i remember you pretend to have one) and your whole system.

You pretend to be a scientist, so how can you doubt of bad effects of vibrations on devices?
That's obvious that it works when you do the test.
Tubes, for example, are very subject to vibes.
That's why you have a huge improvement when you put a steel triangle under a tube amp.
Anyway, only listening can tell you if a theory is valid or not.
Tubes amp have higher distorsions rate than transistor ones but it's night and day in the highs when you compare to a transistor.
So, what does it means?
That distortion's rate is NOT the good criteria to judge musicality.
Thre's also a theory with pair/impair harmonics.
On the other hand, transistor are tighter and quicker in the low than tubes, that's why bi-amplification with good transistor in the low and tubes in the high is the best.

It's the same with cables: you can measure a very bad cable and an extraordinary cable: the results will be the same, but when you listen, ther's no comparison.


About Copland, that's not the worth CD ever, but there are a lot of british musical players in the same range of price that will work a lot better (Naim, Arcam, Creek, etc...).
This is just a really average source, compare to analog sources.

It's obvious that separated lines are better cause devices pollute themselves (electrically,i mean),
(the CD is the worth for that, that's why i use double if not triple power filter isolation, and have a huge improvment in term of loss of sharpness on CD.)
Moreover, devices like power amp need much power and a bigger diameter lowers the cable's resistivity.

Another phenomenon with power is that the sound is better the evening from about 11 PM, when much industries have stopped their day and so , don'tconsume power.
You hear that on a good tranparent system.
So, that's prove power's quality have an effect on sound.