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Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:


the DVD will offers a greatest video quality,cause it contains much more informations.
But for sound...forget! 

DVD-A isn't the same as the audio track on a DVD though - regular DVDs are lower than CD quality in loud sections, although probably about the same for speech/quiet bits, which is a shame for live concerts on DVD

DVD-A, though, definitely has the capability of better-than-CD quality; I'm pretty sure in a couple of years time mastering/processing will catch up with that capability, too.
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Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

the DVD will offers a greatest video quality,cause it contains much more informations. But for sound...forget!


DVD-A isn't the same as the audio track on a DVD though - regular DVDs are lower than CD quality in loud sections, although probably about the same for speech/quiet bits, which is a shame for live concerts on DVD


DVD-A, though, definitely has the capability of better-than-CD quality; I'm pretty sure in a couple of years time mastering/processing will catch up with that capability, too.



Maybe.
But look at the first Cd players, 20 years ago.
They were crap. There are still craps, but they improved the converters, etc... so there are more musical than at the beggining.
There's some progress. Like with hdcd filters.
The cd technology comes to maturity.



So, please, don't buy a DVD-A player for the moment.
Maybe, on the paper, it offers a better quality.
But there are not musical DVD-A player for the moment.

Anyway, this format will probably die, cause most people are simply happy with the cd and they find no reason to change for a new format.
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I agree on holding fire on DVD-A players - it would be better to have a unit that plays DVD-video and audio (and records it!).

And manufacturers NEVER get it right until version 3.

DVD-A (192Khz 24-bit) is the most accurate form of music recording there is - more accurate than even analogue. It seriously kicks the ass of 44.1Khz 16 Bit CD audio.

The big problem it has as it stands as a technology is that it's too accurate. Analogue introduces little noises of its own, for which technicians have to compensate - and a beautiful work of art is created - a  diamond with fascinating imperfections.

Take the imperfections away, and you have something manufactured and sterile (IMO).

Hopefully technicians will learn to compensate...

 

I agree on SACD, though - Sony's proprietary compression sucks. The dynamic range is horrible - it's like listening through a thin film of cotton wool (from the little I've heard...).



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"DVD-A (192Khz 24-bit) is the most accurate form of music recording there is - more accurate than even analogue. It seriously kicks the ass of 44.1Khz 16 Bit CD audio."


Maybe on the paper
But it doesn't work at all
If you compare the distorsion rate of a tube amp and the distorsion rate of a transistor one, the transistor wins.

But when you listen, the tube amp wins easily.

It's the same with DVD-a
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Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

We have to explain you all from the beggining... Too hard...


Too Hard...like your head..its full of concrete or something far more revolting. Theres no point in continuing this until I find the article I read, Meanwhile go and listen to your compressed music.



Compressed music?!!!!!!!!!!!
What's Mp3 in your opinion?

We werent talking about MP3 we were talking about CD and vinyl, sorry if its too hard for you to follow.
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Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

"DVD-A (192Khz 24-bit) is the most accurate form of music recording there is - more accurate than even analogue. It seriously kicks the ass of 44.1Khz 16 Bit CD audio."


Maybe on the paper
But it doesn't work at all
If you compare the distorsion rate of a tube amp and the distorsion rate of a transistor one, the transistor wins.

But when you listen, the tube amp wins easily.

It's the same with DVD-a

Er... I'm not sure I understand what you're saying there, Ollie - "...it doesn't work at all"?

It does work - I've heard DVD-a, and the dynamic range is astounding. It's horribly clinical, and devoid of much of the musical feeling you get from analogue - but the range and accuracy is much better.

If it goes through a properly constructed digital amp, then there's no distortion except that caused by resistance in the circuitry - as far as I know. The digital amp will feed through exactly what the DVD-a player feeds it (0's and 1's) - the accuracy is unsurpassable by analogue.

I agree with you wholeheartedly on the musicality point though - for the old-fashioned neck-hair raising qualities of the music, you NEED an analogue setup. Somehow digital drains most of that right out.

I wonder if feeding a DVD-a player through a tube amp would help re-introduce some warmth...?
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Have there been any blind tests done scientifically ?.
Whether it be analogue vs digital, tube amp vs transistor etc, where the listener has to not only choose a preference but determine what the source is, with no idea of the equipment used.

"Why say it cannot be done.....they'd be better doing pop songs?"
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You can do blind tests, but the difference is obvious:
numeric breaks your ears whereas analog not; and transistor makes rape with cheese in the highs whereas good tube sings (but there are transistor better than others, of course)
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