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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2005 at 13:51
right yu people arent worth the time you have on your hands....it isnt cool to hate people because they think differently...i never said i hated gays...i said how i viewed the issue....yu turned it into a campaign to label me a bigot/racist ....whatever yu say
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2005 at 13:53

Originally posted by hopelevre hopelevre wrote:

right yu people arent worth the time you have on your hands....it isnt cool to hate people because they think differently...i never said i hated gays...i said how i viewed the issue....yu turned it into a campaign to label me a bigot/racist ....whatever yu say

But you are a bigot/racist 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2005 at 13:54
o ? please tell me why? i love how im the discourteous one and all else, but its you people who continually call me names...while i may have muttered some in frustration a few select times....you do it always...you are the bigots


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2005 at 13:58

Originally posted by hopelevre hopelevre wrote:

o ? please tell me why?

You've already told us! If we have read this incorrectly then so has every member on this forum.

If this is not your intention then you need to brush up on your compositional skills....

But no...I wont respond to you using your preferred method of attack...I will say this:

You have led us to believe that you are a disgusting homophobic racist.
We are not interested in your sordid views.
Take them elsewhere-you disgust me and any right-thinking person on this site.Angry




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2005 at 14:06
Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

Originally posted by hopelevre hopelevre wrote:

o ? please tell me why?

You've already told us! If we have read this incorrectly then so has every member on this forum.

If this is not your intention then you need to brush up on your compositional skills....

But no...I wont respond to you using your preferred method of attack...I will say this:

You have led us to believe that you are a disgusting homophobic racist.
We are not interested in your sordid views.
Take them elsewhere-you disgust me and any right-thinking person on this site.Angry

I have little to add to this.

Except you are also sick and in desperate need of some counseling

I can't help you, but there are medications

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2005 at 14:09
yea ok that is why i had to teell you to quit pm-ing me....just because you are too slow to grasp the truth of the things i say doesnt make me a racist or bigot....thsoe of you who continue to say that obviously either never read what i said or are too blinded by their own personal feeligns toward the matter to understand what i said first before forming their opinion of it....again, im sorry if i have offended anyone(except u reed its intentional with you now)or any group on this site...i have repeatedly stated that that isnt my intention and that i harbor no ill-will towards gays/blacks/whathaveyou...i have listed examples of non-racist behaviour and tried to reword everything ive said numerous times to make it more clear...the only clear thing is that i havent done that, as the picture of me that you have is not who i am....last night i asked the admins to remove "hopelevre" from their data bases, as i felt it was better for those involved....they expressed their desire for me to stay and encouragement in posting my thoughts.....i feel we all may benefit from soem time away from these issues in order to formulate more precise ideas about just what has transpired and how our emotions may have blurred the lines between fact and fiction....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2005 at 14:16

I feel to we could benefit from some time away from these issues.

Lets say indeffinitly, and while your away from these issues, could you also stay away from this forum please

Don't start about people's PM's I wouldn't if I where you

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2005 at 14:21

It is not a matter of emotional over-reaction it is a matter of your use of "incendiary" unnaceptable words.
This is not an issue of comprehension or misunderstandings. You post these things on a public forum you'd better be aware of how "the public" might react.

We dont care what the forum administrators have said to you-it is us that have to read this disgusting rubbish.

I doubt if Maani or Max has given you total approval.More likely Maani has said that you have some interesting points but try to tone down the aggressiveness.Confused

 




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2005 at 14:25
Im not a big Hopelerve fan, but if you read his posts carfully he aint a rascist.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2005 at 14:31

read again Snow Dog, there's also an inbetween the lines message, that's maybe hard to grasp, but it's there.

And maybe it's just me (and probably Reed) getting that, but it's there.

read carefully, I always do

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2005 at 14:34
it seems as tho yu have the torches and noose out....are yu sure its me that is the bigot? and rather (reed) i was commended for toning it down...however that is hard to maintain when.....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2005 at 14:38

Originally posted by hopelevre hopelevre wrote:

it seems as tho yu have the torches and noose out....are yu sure its me that is the bigot?

So a jury is bigoted when it weighs up the evidence and finds someone guilty,is it?Confused

The judge is bigoted when he imprisons the offender,after due process?Confused

C'mon get real.Angry Your problem is that you are writing when you should be thinking...Wink

 




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2005 at 14:40
Depends what you consider rascist I suppose Tuxon
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2005 at 14:46
id rather focus on what Reed considers "due process"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2005 at 14:48
Originally posted by hopelevre hopelevre wrote:

i have been around this site for awhile and a striking dynamic has become increasingly salient....it seems most of you actually have no clue about the fundamnetals behind music...most of you seem to think that because you listen to "prog", what yu all consider the end all be all of music, this means you actually have real musical knowledge...however as is proven here time and agin, when the time comes to make thoughtful statements regarding another's work, the ability is not there...it either sucks because it isnt (yes, genesis, elp) or its brilliant because it is....it engenders a great sense of irony to me that most of you afficianados who are so quik to label yourself musically superior and capable of reviewing musician's work are in fact completely musically illiterate and have absolutely no idea , when it comes to music(other than your personal preferences) about that which it is that yu speak


You should learn that making music is not pushing a few computer keys...
Learn to play an instrument and we'll talk after.
Maybe most of people here are not musicians, but they have a minimum of musical knowledge (and not only in the prog field), and because of that, they know what they like.
They are able to make the difference between false prog and true prog.
To use your words, you are quick to label yourself a musician.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2005 at 14:53
rather temporal of you.....(goes home, tail between legs)......you obviously have no idea what goes into music if you think that the mp3's i have posted on this site could be made by pressing a few computer keys and not knowing how to play an instrument....i play various instruments(not so very well, but moderate enough) ..... but with my stuff i focus more on textures...yu see it may be stylistically opposed to your tastes?....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2005 at 14:56

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Depends what you consider rascist I suppose Tuxon

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Posted: 2005 26 April at 5:07pm | IP Logged Report Post Quote Snow Dog

....also i have found you cant just dislike a gay man as a person, you cant find them unpleasant ....its more than that.....if you dotn like a gay man the only reason possible is cuz he's gay....these are the types of attitudes that make people intolerant of homos

 

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Posted: 2005 26 April at 5:10pm | IP Logged Report Post Quote hopelevre

very true snow but i see the percentages the highest among :
1: homosexuals
2: black americans(they just almost 100 % generally are steeped in "hate whitey cuz he's hating you
" from the time they are born, of course there are always exceptions, but on the whole they are far more racist towards whites than whites toward them, again this is the dynamic in the states i cant speak for the globe, but I dont see it really being that way anywhere else)

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This is clearly racist, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2005 at 14:59
it is so very obvious by tuxon's last post how very shallow the "evidence" against me is and i already countered the argument once in this thread (1st page)......go listen to the rap song i posted that was recorded with the black friends of mine i hate....many americans , black and white will attest to the truth of the phenomena i was describing, to which yu refer to as "clearly racist"

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2005 at 15:05
I think that this is Hopelevres experiece of these issues, not racism.
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Posted: 2005 26 April at 7:47pm | IP Logged Report Post Quote hopelevre

i am no racist....in fact i have several black "friends"...tehy come over to my house and i help them produce their songs with my equipment at no charge, yet amongst themselves i am considered a "chump"....tehy will talk derisively about me in my presence in their own esoteric jargon as if im"too white" to see through its negative oversions...nevertheless i dotn hold this against them....i realize this is a product of their environment, and they are welcomed back into my home time and again.....here is a link to a song they freestyled to while i helped lay what i think is definately an innovative-for-the-genre style beat...further, i was very good friends with a homosexual at a time in my life, we spent much time together(up to 3-4 nights a week, including overnight stays in the others' home, i am NOT homophobic)until he realized i would never leave my fiancee or even betray her once sexually with him....i made attempts to rekindle our friendship several times but they wer not allowed to avail me


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So the sentence in bold isn't a racist remark??????????????

I don't mind people speaking badly about me, because they are inferior to me anyway.

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