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Reed Lover 
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 Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:04 |
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Whilst not one of my favourites,Maiden are no ordinary rock band.To sell so many records at a time when anything guitar-based was seen as anathema,is an incredible achievement.
To my mind they are as prog as DT,they just dont do keyboards(much)
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King of Loss
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:06 |
Reed Lover wrote:
Whilst not one of my favourites,Maiden are no ordinary rock band.To sell so many records at a time when anything guitar-based was seen as anathema,is an incredible achievement.
To my mind they are as prog as DT,they just dont do keyboards(much)
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Iron Maiden are definitely a bit Progressive, but not close to as Progressive as Dream Theater are.
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:12 |
Have to agree with Reed Lover (After a year it was about time), Iron Maiden is IMO closer to prog' than Dream Theater, but with the difference that I can listen hours of Iron Maiden and only minutes of DT before getting sleepy.
They managed to create prog' tracks without keyboards, that's outstanding.
Iván
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:15 |
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Have to agree with Reed Lover (After a year it was about time), Iron Maiden is IMO closer to prog' than Dream Theater, but with the difference that I can listen hours of Iron Maiden and only minutes of DT before getting sleepy.
They managed to create prog' tracks without keyboards, that's outstanding.
Iván
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So you would give Rush some credit?
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:19 |
I don't wanna cause a stir,but i don't believe what i'm seeing here.
Iron maiden on a prog site...They are quite oviously not prog.
If the Beatles threads get moved so should maiden
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:22 |
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I don't wanna cause a stir,but i don't believe what i'm seeing here.
Iron maiden on a prog site...They are quite oviously not prog.
If the Beatles threads get moved so should maiden
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well seeing as Max has posted twice on this thread,if you wanna take it up with the big man himself........
 I dare you! No I double-dare you!
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:25 |
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I don't wanna cause a stir,but i don't believe what i'm seeing here.
Iron maiden on a prog site...They are quite oviously not prog.
If the Beatles threads get moved so should maiden
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Not a 100% prog' band you're right, but they had a very interesting approach to Prog'.
Have you ever listened Rime of the Ancient Mariner? It has more changes and complex atmospheres than many songs from prog' icons, the same goes for 7th Son and a couple more tracks.
BTW, we don't have o talk only about prog' bands and I'm not asking to include them into the Archives, but Iron Maiden was a great band despite the genre.
I see no problem, there has been threads about Dylan, Bowie, ELO and even Mariah Carey 
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:26 |
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Where is 'The 7th Son of the 7th Son'?
 
It's my favourite.
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The middle instrumental riff is SUPERB !!!
Giving me chills every time !!! 
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Can i ask why you are allowing yourself & others to carry on with Iron maiden thing in a prog forums main discussion page,thay are clearly not prog rock.The beales threads were moved from Main so why not these?
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:31 |
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maiden close to prog?
i've never heard anything like that but i have only heard about 10 of their songs... but closer to prog than DT? no way DT couldnt be any less prog they are 100% definetly a prog rock band!
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:36 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
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I don't wanna cause a stir,but i don't believe what i'm seeing here.
Iron maiden on a prog site...They are quite oviously not prog.
If the Beatles threads get moved so should maiden
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Not a 100% prog' band you're right, but they had a very interesting approach to Prog'.
Have you ever listened Rime of the Ancient Mariner? It has more changes and complex atmospheres than many songs from prog' icons, the same goes for 7th Son and a couple more tracks.
BTW, we don't have o talk only about prog' bands and I'm not asking to include them into the Archives, but Iron Maiden was a great band despite the genre.
I see no problem, there has been threads about Dylan, Bowie, ELO and even Mariah Carey
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There not even 1% prog im sorry to say...I'm not desputing Iron maiden was'nt a great band in the eyes of all teenagers
& there is no problem about talk regarding the band but on a heavy metal site please..
The treads about the other artist you have stated have been removed to the bowels of the other channel & so should this band too
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:47 |
frenchie wrote:
maiden close to prog?
i've never heard anything like that but i have only heard about 10 of their songs... but closer to prog than DT? no way DT couldnt be any less prog they are 100% definetly a prog rock band! |
Actually according to Jordan Rudess and Mike Portnoy, Dream Theater is a Heavy Metal band that is heavily influenced by Progressive Rock bands like Pink Floyd, Yes, Rush and Genesis.
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:50 |
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speaking of iron maiden, dream theater did a cover of the whole number of the beast album, they have also done concerts with bruce dick-in-son i think. I think you can buy this on the official DT website as an official bootleg
official bootleg, now there's an oxymoron!
You can see them talking about this on the tour diary of the live at budokan DVD They have also covered the whole of Master of Puppets by Metallica too but its shoddy quality.
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:51 |
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:52 |
King of Loss wrote:
| Actually according to Jordan Rudess and Mike Portnoy, Dream Theater is a Heavy Metal band that is heavily influenced by Progressive Rock bands like Pink Floyd, Yes, Rush and Genesis. |
This quote leaves no room for my opinion, the main members of the band in question gave their opinion.
Maiden is also a metal band with progressive influence.
Iván
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:53 |
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speaking of iron maiden, dream theater did a cover of the whole number of the beast album, they have also done concerts with bruce dick-in-son i think. I think you can buy this on the official DT website as an official bootleg
official bootleg, now there's an oxymoron!
You can see them talking about this on the tour diary of the live at budokan DVD They have also covered the whole of Master of Puppets by Metallica too but its shoddy quality. |
Yes, Yes and Yes That's true. If you paused your ToT Japanese tour video, you can see that they've performed an entire Iron Maiden album at their small club Osaka show.
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:54 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
King of Loss wrote:
| Actually according to Jordan Rudess and Mike Portnoy, Dream Theater is a Heavy Metal band that is heavily influenced by Progressive Rock bands like Pink Floyd, Yes, Rush and Genesis. |
This quote leaves no room for my opinion, the main members of the band in question gave their opinion.
Maiden is also a metal band with progressive influence.
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I'm going to agree with you on there. Iron Maiden definitely has Progressive influences, but its just not quite as evident as the Progressive influences in Dream Theater. Listen to the IAW album and you'll know what I'm talking about.
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 21:02 |
The only Maiden thing i applaude is certain members are prisoner fans,but that does'nt alter anything i've stated previously
''I am not a number,i'm a free man''
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By hook or by crook we will
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 21:21 |
Karnevil9 wrote:
M@X wrote:
Arteum wrote:
Where is 'The 7th Son of the 7th Son'?
It's my favourite.
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The middle instrumental riff is SUPERB !!!
Giving me chills every time !!!
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M@X
Can i ask why you are allowing yourself & others to carry on with Iron maiden thing in a prog forums main discussion page,thay are clearly not prog rock.The beales threads were moved from Main so why not these?
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 21:28 |
Reed Lover wrote:
Karnevil9 wrote:
M@X wrote:
Arteum wrote:
Where is 'The 7th Son of the 7th Son'?
It's my favourite.
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The middle instrumental riff is SUPERB !!!
Giving me chills every time !!!
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M@X
Can i ask why you are allowing yourself & others to carry on with Iron maiden thing in a prog forums main discussion page,thay are clearly not prog rock.The beales threads were moved from Main so why not these?
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fools rush in ................................
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He who dare's win's Rodney..He who dare's wins.
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 21:37 |
| I'm going to agree with you on there. Iron Maiden definitely has Progressive influences, but its just not quite as evident as the Progressive influences in Dream Theater. Listen to the IAW album and you'll know what I'm talking about. |
I have to be honest with you King of Loss, I believe all DT members (except La Brie) are very talented) I recognize they have Prog' influence, but I find no defined structure, only many solos united by short passages of music.
But the main problem is that I like Iron Maiden, but I dislike DT's music, so my opinion is as subjective as the one from DT fans.
Iván
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