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Topic: Top 5 Iron Maiden
Posted By: Fantômas
Subject: Top 5 Iron Maiden
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 16:22
Yeah! Choose one above, then make a top 5. 

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 16:25

Originally posted by Fantômas Fantômas wrote:

Yeah! Choose one above, then make a top 5. 

 

Iron Maiden!



Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 16:31
  1. The Rime of the Ancient Mariner
  2. 7th Son of a 7th Son
  3. Hallowed Be Thy Name


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Posted By: ShaggyMcShagg7
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 16:51
2 Minutes to Midnight - my vote
The Wicker Man
Run to the Hills
Ghost of the Navigator
Hallowed by the Name


Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 16:59

Iron Maiden are a fantastic band, and have prog tendencies throughout their work.

'Phantom Of The Opera' is a classic song with many different sections- some glorious instrumental interplay.



Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 17:12

RUNNN TOOO THE HILLS RUN FOR YOUR LIVESSSSSS

I voted for that and here are my favorites:

Run To The Hills ( of course)

Hallowed be Thy Name

Phantom Of The Opera

Wrathchild

Revelations

And lots more.



Posted By: Arteum
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 17:14

Where is 'The 7th Son of the 7th Son'?

 

It's my favourite.



Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 17:22
Well, I couldn't add every song... So, I choosed 24 songs, and included an "other" option... 

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Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 17:24

I voted Fear of the Dark.

However, my top 5 is:

1. Afraid to Shoot Strangers (my band covers this)
2. Rime Of the Ancient Mariner
3. Be Quick or Be Dead
4. The Prisoner
5. Where Eagles Dare



Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 17:29

Originally posted by Fantômas Fantômas wrote:

Well, I couldn't add every song... So, I choosed 24 songs, and included an "other" option... 

Yea, that's a good idea because Maiden has a sh*tload of songs. Most of them very good :)



Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 18:49
Originally posted by Arteum Arteum wrote:

Where is 'The 7th Son of the 7th Son'?

 

It's my favourite.

 

The middle instrumental riff is SUPERB !!!
Giving me chills every time !!!



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Posted By: Eddy
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 19:03
the album killer has some wonderful  prog moments! Maiden is the best metel has to offer i say!


Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 19:09

No, actually the best Metal band has to be Dream Theater



Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 19:29
Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

No, actually the best Metal band has to be Dream Theater



although DT are one of my fave bands, and i have live at budokan playing now, i am not sure about the whole best metal band thing there.

they dont suite the qualities of a typical metal band cos most metal bands have gruff vocals and no keyboardists although they have got the hair, lyrics, riffs and image going on.

Still one of the best bands you shall ever find, much better than that iron maiden bollox. i saw the early days DVD and they played a song with the original vocalist and i thought it was immense, the live show didnt have any of that eye candy.

Most of the songs i have heard by Maiden have Bruce on vocals and his voice is so childish as are the lyrics, songs like run to the hills, the evil that men do, bring your daughter to the slaughter. I fail to see why they are a good metal band because i can never take them seriously, they just pomp around on stage with giant eddies and pyro and all that crap and the music sounds so immature. 

Can anyone recommend me some really seriously crafted songs by this band (if there are any), even the recent dance of death was disapointing to me, and mostly the number of the beast, which is meant to be their best album, sounds like a complete doddle.

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Posted By: Fragile
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 19:29
Why are so many ordinary rock bands being forwarded on here?


Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 19:33
Originally posted by Fragile Fragile wrote:

Why are so many ordinary rock bands being forwarded on here?


I think that's because we're beginning to see the light, and stop talking about boring, pretentious and pompous bands just like Yes...


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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 19:34

Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:



although DT are one of my fave bands, and i have live at budokan playing now, i am not sure about the whole best metal band thing there.

they dont suite the qualities of a typical metal band cos most metal bands have gruff vocals and no keyboardists although they have got the hair, lyrics, riffs and image going on.

Still one of the best bands you shall ever find, much better than that iron maiden bollox. i saw the early days DVD and they played a song with the original vocalist and i thought it was immense, the live show didnt have any of that eye candy.

Most of the songs i have heard by Maiden have Bruce on vocals and his voice is so childish as are the lyrics, songs like run to the hills, the evil that men do, bring your daughter to the slaughter. I fail to see why they are a good metal band because i can never take them seriously, they just pomp around on stage with giant eddies and pyro and all that crap and the music sounds so immature. 

Can anyone recommend me some really seriously crafted songs by this band (if there are any), even the recent dance of death was disapointing to me, and mostly the number of the beast, which is meant to be their best album, sounds like a complete doddle.

Hah, actually I kinda like Iron Maiden but not everything they made and I don't consider Bruce a childish vocalist, because its one of the most impressive falsettos I've ever heard.



Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 19:35
Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:

Can anyone recommend me some really seriously crafted songs by this band (if there are any), even the recent dance of death was disapointing to me, and mostly the number of the beast, which is meant to be their best album, sounds like a complete doddle.


Get Powerslave... If you don't like it, no problem... At least try the title track... 


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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 19:42
Originally posted by Fantômas Fantômas wrote:

Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:

Can anyone recommend me some really seriously crafted songs by this band (if there are any), even the recent dance of death was disapointing to me, and mostly the number of the beast, which is meant to be their best album, sounds like a complete doddle.


Get Powerslave... If you don't like it, no problem... At least try the title track... 


says the man with exploding head... that wink makes me nervous, am i gonna download this track to find that it is one of their least serious pieces of all?

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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 19:59

The list is obviously made by a metal head (Not offensive term, I have a lot of respect for REAL metal), Fantomas let the most prog' oriented tracks aside.

  1. The Rime of the Ancient Mariner: One of the most and better progressive tracks by a non prog' band, simply outstanding.
  2. 7th Son of a 7th Son: Idem N° 1
  3. Phantom of the Opera: Simpler than 1 and 2 but in the same vein.
  4. Hallowed Be Thy Name: Powerfull and atmospheric
  5. The Trooper: Excellent 2nd guitar.

1, 2 and 3 are very seriously crafted tracks, even 4, but The Trooper is pure power.

Iván

 



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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:04

Originally posted by Fragile Fragile wrote:

Why are so many ordinary rock bands being forwarded on here?

Whilst not one of my favourites,Maiden are no ordinary rock band.To sell so many records at a time when anything guitar-based was seen as anathema,is an incredible achievement.

To my mind they are as prog as DT,they just dont do keyboards(much)



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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:06
Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

Whilst not one of my favourites,Maiden are no ordinary rock band.To sell so many records at a time when anything guitar-based was seen as anathema,is an incredible achievement.

To my mind they are as prog as DT,they just dont do keyboards(much)

Iron Maiden are definitely a bit Progressive, but not close to as Progressive as Dream Theater are.



Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:12

Have to agree with Reed Lover (After a year it was about time), Iron Maiden is IMO closer to prog' than Dream Theater, but with the difference that I can listen hours of Iron Maiden and only minutes of DT before getting sleepy.

They managed to create prog' tracks without keyboards, that's outstanding.

Iván



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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:15
Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

Have to agree with Reed Lover (After a year it was about time), Iron Maiden is IMO closer to prog' than Dream Theater, but with the difference that I can listen hours of Iron Maiden and only minutes of DT before getting sleepy.

They managed to create prog' tracks without keyboards, that's outstanding.

Iván

Tongue

So you would give Rush some credit?

2112Wink



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:19

I don't wanna cause a stir,but i don't believe what i'm seeing here.

Iron maiden on a prog site...They are quite oviously not prog.

If the Beatles threads get moved so should maiden



Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:22
Originally posted by Karnevil9 Karnevil9 wrote:

I don't wanna cause a stir,but i don't believe what i'm seeing here.

Iron maiden on a prog site...They are quite oviously not prog.

If the Beatles threads get moved so should maiden

well seeing as Max has posted twice on this thread,if you wanna take it up with the big man himself........Tongue

LOLI dare you! No I double-dare you!



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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:25
Quote

I don't wanna cause a stir,but i don't believe what i'm seeing here.

Iron maiden on a prog site...They are quite oviously not prog.

If the Beatles threads get moved so should maiden

Not a 100% prog' band you're right, but they had a very interesting approach to Prog'.

Have you ever listened Rime of the Ancient Mariner? It has more changes and complex atmospheres than many songs from prog' icons, the same goes for 7th Son and a couple more tracks.

BTW, we don't have o talk only about prog' bands and I'm not asking to include them into the Archives, but Iron Maiden was a great band despite the genre.

I see no problem, there has been threads about Dylan, Bowie, ELO and even Mariah Carey

Iván



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:26
Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:

Originally posted by Arteum Arteum wrote:

Where is 'The 7th Son of the 7th Son'?

 

It's my favourite.

 

The middle instrumental riff is SUPERB !!!
Giving me chills every time !!!

 

mailto:M@X - M@X

Can i ask why you are allowing yourself & others to carry on with Iron maiden thing in a prog forums main discussion page,thay are clearly not prog rock.The beales threads were moved from Main so why not these?

 



Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:31
maiden close to prog?

i've never heard anything like that but i have only heard about 10 of their songs... but closer to prog than DT? no way DT couldnt be any less prog they are 100% definetly a prog rock band!

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:36
Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

Quote

I don't wanna cause a stir,but i don't believe what i'm seeing here.

Iron maiden on a prog site...They are quite oviously not prog.

If the Beatles threads get moved so should maiden

Not a 100% prog' band you're right, but they had a very interesting approach to Prog'.

Have you ever listened Rime of the Ancient Mariner? It has more changes and complex atmospheres than many songs from prog' icons, the same goes for 7th Son and a couple more tracks.

BTW, we don't have o talk only about prog' bands and I'm not asking to include them into the Archives, but Iron Maiden was a great band despite the genre.

I see no problem, there has been threads about Dylan, Bowie, ELO and even Mariah Carey

Iván

There not even 1% prog im sorry to say...I'm not desputing Iron maiden was'nt a great band in the eyes of all teenagers

& there is no problem about talk regarding the band but on a heavy metal site please..

The treads about the other artist you have stated have been removed to the bowels of the other channel & so should this band too



Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:47

Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:

maiden close to prog?

i've never heard anything like that but i have only heard about 10 of their songs... but closer to prog than DT? no way DT couldnt be any less prog they are 100% definetly a prog rock band!

Actually according to Jordan Rudess and Mike Portnoy, Dream Theater is a Heavy Metal band that is heavily influenced by Progressive Rock bands like Pink Floyd, Yes, Rush and Genesis.



Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:50
speaking of iron maiden, dream theater did a cover of the whole number of the beast album, they have also done concerts with bruce dick-in-son i think. I think you can buy this on the official DT website as an official bootleg

official bootleg, now there's an oxymoron!

You can see them talking about this on the tour diary of the live at budokan DVD They have also covered the whole of Master of Puppets by Metallica too but its shoddy quality.

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Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:51
Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:

Originally posted by Fantômas Fantômas wrote:

Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:

Can anyone recommend me some really seriously crafted songs by this band (if there are any), even the recent dance of death was disapointing to me, and mostly the number of the beast, which is meant to be their best album, sounds like a complete doddle.


Get Powerslave... If you don't like it, no problem... At least try the title track... 


says the man with exploding head... that wink makes me nervous, am i gonna download this track to find that it is one of their least serious pieces of all?


Depends of what you consider as being serious... If to you a serious thing is Rick Wakeman dressed as a princess and Bill Bruford shaking his ass, you'll get disapointed... Sorry...


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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:52

King of Loss wrote:

Quote Actually according to Jordan Rudess and Mike Portnoy, Dream Theater is a Heavy Metal band that is heavily influenced by Progressive Rock bands like Pink Floyd, Yes, Rush and Genesis.

This quote leaves no room for my opinion, the main members of the band in question gave their opinion.

Maiden is also a metal band with progressive influence.

Iván



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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:53

Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:

speaking of iron maiden, dream theater did a cover of the whole number of the beast album, they have also done concerts with bruce dick-in-son i think. I think you can buy this on the official DT website as an official bootleg

official bootleg, now there's an oxymoron!

You can see them talking about this on the tour diary of the live at budokan DVD They have also covered the whole of Master of Puppets by Metallica too but its shoddy quality.

Yes, Yes and Yes That's true. If you paused your ToT Japanese tour video, you can see that they've performed an entire Iron Maiden album at their small club Osaka show.



Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:54
Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

King of Loss wrote:

Quote Actually according to Jordan Rudess and Mike Portnoy, Dream Theater is a Heavy Metal band that is heavily influenced by Progressive Rock bands like Pink Floyd, Yes, Rush and Genesis.

This quote leaves no room for my opinion, the main members of the band in question gave their opinion.

Maiden is also a metal band with progressive influence.

Iván

I'm going to agree with you on there. Iron Maiden definitely has Progressive influences, but its just not quite as evident as the Progressive influences in Dream Theater. Listen to the IAW album and you'll know what I'm talking about.



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 21:02

The only Maiden thing i applaude is certain members are prisoner fans,but that does'nt alter anything i've stated previously

''I am not a number,i'm a free man''

Information...You won't get it..

By hook or by crook we will



Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 21:21
Originally posted by Karnevil9 Karnevil9 wrote:

Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:

Originally posted by Arteum Arteum wrote:

Where is 'The 7th Son of the 7th Son'?

 

It's my favourite.

 

The middle instrumental riff is SUPERB !!!
Giving me chills every time !!!

 

mailto:M@X - M@X

Can i ask why you are allowing yourself & others to carry on with Iron maiden thing in a prog forums main discussion page,thay are clearly not prog rock.The beales threads were moved from Main so why not these?

 

fools rush in ................................LOL



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 21:28
Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

Originally posted by Karnevil9 Karnevil9 wrote:

Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:

Originally posted by Arteum Arteum wrote:

Where is 'The 7th Son of the 7th Son'?

 

It's my favourite.

 

The middle instrumental riff is SUPERB !!!
Giving me chills every time !!!

 

mailto:M@X - M@X

Can i ask why you are allowing yourself & others to carry on with Iron maiden thing in a prog forums main discussion page,thay are clearly not prog rock.The beales threads were moved from Main so why not these?

 

fools rush in ................................LOL

He who dare's win's Rodney..He who dare's wins.



Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 21:37

Quote I'm going to agree with you on there. Iron Maiden definitely has Progressive influences, but its just not quite as evident as the Progressive influences in Dream Theater. Listen to the IAW album and you'll know what I'm talking about.

I have to be honest with you King of Loss, I believe all DT members (except La Brie) are very talented) I recognize they have Prog' influence, but I find no defined structure, only many solos united by short passages of music.

But the main problem is that I like Iron Maiden, but I dislike DT's music, so my opinion is as subjective as the one from DT fans.

Iván



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Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 22:03

I can't believe nobody thought about the real best Maiden's track:

GENGHIS KHAN!

How can this be POSSIBLE??????!!!!!???????!!!!!!!!!!Confused



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Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 22:54

Hallowed be thy Name (Cradle of Filth does a great cover version, too)

Number of the Beast (it's a Lovecraftian fantasy set to music!)

Powerslave (love that spooky intro and the faux-egyptian soloing!)

The Prisoner (a damn solid tune even without the references)

Wrathchild ('Killers' in general had some great overlooked songs, Murders in the Rue Morgue is a favorite too)

Wasted Years (pretty heartfelt, in a metal way...)

I kinda lost track of Maiden after Somewhere in Time, so no favorites from then on.

I have a soft spot for "Rime" but musically it doesn't do as much for me as some of the more energetic pieces. It gets a little cookin' near the end, though!

Maybe not prog, or even fully prog-metal, but just as worthy of discussion as anything else we've talked about that's not in the archives.



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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: April 23 2005 at 22:58
No Rime of the Ancient Mariner?

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Posted By: Rob The Good
Date Posted: April 24 2005 at 01:28
Rime of the Ancient Mariner is GREAT
Aces High
Fear of the Dark
Powerslave
The Wicker Man

Oh, and of course Iron Maiden are more Prog than Dream Theater!!! (Mind you, how hard is that...)

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Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: April 24 2005 at 02:53
1. Hallowed Be Thy Name
2. Revalations
3. Children Of The Damned
4. Rime Of the Ancient Mariner
5. No Prayer For The Dying

But there are countless others that came close like Flight Of Icarus, The Clairvoyant, Alexander The Great, Wasted Years, Stranger In A Stranger Land ...

And you know ... even though Dream Theatre and Tool and 50 other bands are prog-metal and Maiden aren't ... Iron Maiden always has more to offer me ... whatta band

In an interview with Steve Harris I did for a Malaysian paper (four or five years ago when Bruce rejoined the band) he cited Genesis' Foxtrot and Wishbone Ash's Argus as being albums that really influenced him as a bass player and songwriter ... he also said that Piece Of Mind was his favourite Maiden album for a long time, but he suddenly decided he preferred 7th Son ...


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Posted By: Pablo_P
Date Posted: April 24 2005 at 05:01
1. Seventh Son Of Seventh Son
2. Run To The Hills
3. Fear Of The Dark (Live)
4. Rime of the Ancient Mariner
5. The Nomad



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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: April 24 2005 at 05:03

Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:



Most of the songs i have heard by Maiden have Bruce on vocals and his voice is so childish as are the lyrics, songs like run to the hills, the evil that men do, bring your daughter to the slaughter. I fail to see why they are a good metal band because i can never take them seriously, they just pomp around on stage with giant eddies and pyro and all that crap and the music sounds so immature. 

Can anyone recommend me some really seriously crafted songs by this band (if there are any), even the recent dance of death was disapointing to me, and mostly the number of the beast, which is meant to be their best album, sounds like a complete doddle.

Frenchie, Iron Maiden are supposed to sound that way. That's one of the main reasons they're so good. If you take these guys (and a lot of metal, prog and some other genres) seriously, you'll never get any pleasure out of them. Not that there's much wrong with taking music seriously, but the key to Iron Maiden and many similar bands (although doubtlessly talented) is good-natured laughter. For me at least, DT are not really an exception here. Although I don't approach them with the same level of warm-hearted irony as IM, I find myself unable to take them seriously and still enjoy them. To me both bands are just very good fun - and I'm more than certain it takes plenty of talent and hard work for a band to be "just very good fun".

Here's my top five, maybe you'll find these songs crafty:

1. The Nomad

2. Judas Be My Guide

3. Blood Brothers

4. Can I Play With Madness

5. No More Lies

  



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Posted By: KeyserSoze
Date Posted: April 24 2005 at 05:04

Iron Maiden  Oh man, what a crap!  What about Linkin Park, Eminem or Metallica? They are as good as Iron Maiden



Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: April 24 2005 at 05:07
Originally posted by KeyserSoze KeyserSoze wrote:

Iron Maiden  Oh man, what a crap!  What about Linkin Park, Eminem or Metallica? They are as good as Iron Maiden

See Frenchie? Here's someone who takes Iron Maiden too seriously and therefore can't see their real value.



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Posted By: henri_ds
Date Posted: April 24 2005 at 05:48
Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

Quote I'm going to agree with you on there. Iron Maiden definitely has Progressive influences, but its just not quite as evident as the Progressive influences in Dream Theater. Listen to the IAW album and you'll know what I'm talking about.

I have to be honest with you King of Loss, I believe all DT members (except La Brie) are very talented) I recognize they have Prog' influence, but I find no defined structure, only many solos united by short passages of music.

But the main problem is that I like Iron Maiden, but I dislike DT's music, so my opinion is as subjective as the one from DT fans.

Iván



I find it interesting, because I have the impression that many prog bands from the 70's wrote far more "undefined structures" than DT... 
Listen to tracks like Trial Of Tears, Scarred, Learning To Live, The Great Debate : Are these songs "without structure" ? I dont think so. Technically, they're the same as prog band's songs : Melodical developpements, reccurent themes, different sections etc....And small songs like Disappear, Hollow Years etc...follow the classical "Rock song structure"...
 I could somehow accept that some people find them boring, but, unstructured songs ? I don't see it (well, the very exception would be "The Dance Of Eternity"...craziest instrumental !!!)

And, stop dissing LaBrie, for christsakes. For someone who appears more than 2h30 a night every night during worldtours, he does a great job. And, you'll say whatever you want, but I can't see any other vocalist for DT.  Dickinson is THE voice of Maiden, so is LaBrie for DT. I don't say he's the best, I say that he's the most fitting vocalist for DT.


Posted By: KeyserSoze
Date Posted: April 24 2005 at 06:03
Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

Originally posted by KeyserSoze KeyserSoze wrote:

Iron Maiden  Oh man, what a crap!  What about Linkin Park, Eminem or Metallica? They are as good as Iron Maiden

See Frenchie? Here's someone who takes Iron Maiden too seriously and therefore can't see their real value.

My dear Frenchie, I don't take them seriously at all. I just laugh when I listen to their music for adolescents. I just can't understand how people that listen to Yes, Genesis or King Crimson can even survive more than 5 minutes of Iron Maiden crap.



Posted By: AngelRat
Date Posted: April 24 2005 at 06:27

I can listen to Yes, Genesis, KC AND Iron Maiden. And ABBA. Dream Theater often make me feel sleepy. My Maiden top 5 would be:

  • Caught Somewhere In Time
  • Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son
  • To Tame A Land
  • Murders In The Rue Morgue
  • Powerslave


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Posted By: Miaugion
Date Posted: April 24 2005 at 06:47
1) Caught Somewhere in Time
2) Rime of the Ancient Mariner
3) Hallowed be thy Name
4) Wasted Years
5) The Trooper

... or something like that. There are just too many good songs.

Up the Irons!

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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: April 24 2005 at 07:32
Originally posted by KeyserSoze KeyserSoze wrote:

Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

Originally posted by KeyserSoze KeyserSoze wrote:

Iron Maiden  Oh man, what a crap!  What about Linkin Park, Eminem or Metallica? They are as good as Iron Maiden

See Frenchie? Here's someone who takes Iron Maiden too seriously and therefore can't see their real value.

My dear Frenchie, I don't take them seriously at all. I just laugh when I listen to their music for adolescents. I just can't understand how people that listen to Yes, Genesis or King Crimson can even survive more than 5 minutes of Iron Maiden crap.

I'm a mystery, I know.



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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: April 24 2005 at 07:35
Originally posted by henri_ds henri_ds wrote:

Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

Quote I'm going to agree with you on there. Iron Maiden definitely has Progressive influences, but its just not quite as evident as the Progressive influences in Dream Theater. Listen to the IAW album and you'll know what I'm talking about.

I have to be honest with you King of Loss, I believe all DT members (except La Brie) are very talented) I recognize they have Prog' influence, but I find no defined structure, only many solos united by short passages of music.

But the main problem is that I like Iron Maiden, but I dislike DT's music, so my opinion is as subjective as the one from DT fans.

Iván



I find it interesting, because I have the impression that many prog bands from the 70's wrote far more "undefined structures" than DT... 
Listen to tracks like Trial Of Tears, Scarred, Learning To Live, The Great Debate : Are these songs "without structure" ? I dont think so. Technically, they're the same as prog band's songs : Melodical developpements, reccurent themes, different sections etc....And small songs like Disappear, Hollow Years etc...follow the classical "Rock song structure"...
 I could somehow accept that some people find them boring, but, unstructured songs ? I don't see it

My sentiments exactly. 



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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: April 24 2005 at 11:32
Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:



Most of the songs i have heard by Maiden have Bruce on vocals and his voice is so childish as are the lyrics, songs like run to the hills, the evil that men do, bring your daughter to the slaughter. I fail to see why they are a good metal band because i can never take them seriously, they just pomp around on stage with giant eddies and pyro and all that crap and the music sounds so immature. 

Can anyone recommend me some really seriously crafted songs by this band (if there are any), even the recent dance of death was disapointing to me, and mostly the number of the beast, which is meant to be their best album, sounds like a complete doddle.

Frenchie, Iron Maiden are supposed to sound that way. That's one of the main reasons they're so good. If you take these guys (and a lot of metal, prog and some other genres) seriously, you'll never get any pleasure out of them. Not that there's much wrong with taking music seriously, but the key to Iron Maiden and many similar bands (although doubtlessly talented) is good-natured laughter. For me at least, DT are not really an exception here. Although I don't approach them with the same level of warm-hearted irony as IM, I find myself unable to take them seriously and still enjoy them. To me both bands are just very good fun - and I'm more than certain it takes plenty of talent and hard work for a band to be "just very good fun".

Here's my top five, maybe you'll find these songs crafty:

1. The Nomad

2. Judas Be My Guide

3. Blood Brothers

4. Can I Play With Madness

5. No More Lies

  



uh oh, looks like i will never be able to enjoy maiden if this is true, i cant stand the way that they seem to be taking the piss with all their over the top stage shows and stupid lyrics, vocals and riffs. I prefer my songs to be serious and meaningful, which i find in bands like metallica and DT cos they write about real things and rarely joke around, if Iron Maiden always joke around then i am not going to like them at all.

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Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: April 24 2005 at 12:04

you can take Metallica seriously?



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Posted By: Frasse
Date Posted: April 24 2005 at 12:10
The guitar solo on Alexander the Great must be the best ever...


Posted By: henri_ds
Date Posted: April 24 2005 at 13:21
Originally posted by KeyserSoze KeyserSoze wrote:

Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

Originally posted by KeyserSoze KeyserSoze wrote:

Iron Maiden  Oh man, what a crap!  What about Linkin Park, Eminem or Metallica? They are as good as Iron Maiden

See Frenchie? Here's someone who takes Iron Maiden too seriously and therefore can't see their real value.

My dear Frenchie, I don't take them seriously at all. I just laugh when I listen to their music for adolescents. I just can't understand how people that listen to Yes, Genesis or King Crimson can even survive more than 5 minutes of Iron Maiden crap.



Early Genesis is even more "for adolescents" than Maiden. The return of the Giant Hogweed ? Get'em out by friday ? I know what I like ? never heard of these songs who have some sort of "we were young and wanted to have fun" feeling ?


Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: April 24 2005 at 13:28
Originally posted by KeyserSoze KeyserSoze wrote:

Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

Originally posted by KeyserSoze KeyserSoze wrote:

Iron Maiden  Oh man, what a crap!  What about Linkin Park, Eminem or Metallica? They are as good as Iron Maiden

See Frenchie? Here's someone who takes Iron Maiden too seriously and therefore can't see their real value.

My dear Frenchie, I don't take them seriously at all. I just can't understand how people that listen to Yes, Genesis or King Crimson can even listen more than 5 minutes of Iron Maiden without thinking that Yes and Genesis are pure pretentious crap for people who think their music is supposed to be better than other, which I find to be quite arrogant. And how can these people come to the absurd of comparing Iron Maiden and Linkin Park... Just don't find the point. Maybe these guys should go listen to Rick Wakeman's 30 minute and boring solo.



Agreed, agreed!


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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: April 24 2005 at 14:21
Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:

Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:



Most of the songs i have heard by Maiden have Bruce on vocals and his voice is so childish as are the lyrics, songs like run to the hills, the evil that men do, bring your daughter to the slaughter. I fail to see why they are a good metal band because i can never take them seriously, they just pomp around on stage with giant eddies and pyro and all that crap and the music sounds so immature. 

Can anyone recommend me some really seriously crafted songs by this band (if there are any), even the recent dance of death was disapointing to me, and mostly the number of the beast, which is meant to be their best album, sounds like a complete doddle.

Frenchie, Iron Maiden are supposed to sound that way. That's one of the main reasons they're so good. If you take these guys (and a lot of metal, prog and some other genres) seriously, you'll never get any pleasure out of them. Not that there's much wrong with taking music seriously, but the key to Iron Maiden and many similar bands (although doubtlessly talented) is good-natured laughter. For me at least, DT are not really an exception here. Although I don't approach them with the same level of warm-hearted irony as IM, I find myself unable to take them seriously and still enjoy them. To me both bands are just very good fun - and I'm more than certain it takes plenty of talent and hard work for a band to be "just very good fun".

Here's my top five, maybe you'll find these songs crafty:

1. The Nomad

2. Judas Be My Guide

3. Blood Brothers

4. Can I Play With Madness

5. No More Lies

  



uh oh, looks like i will never be able to enjoy maiden if this is true, i cant stand the way that they seem to be taking the piss with all their over the top stage shows and stupid lyrics, vocals and riffs. I prefer my songs to be serious and meaningful, which i find in bands like metallica and DT cos they write about real things and rarely joke around, if Iron Maiden always joke around then i am not going to like them at all.

 now I've made IM sound like a bunch of jokers (well...); the cheese aside, they do put a lot of effort into their music and this effort is definitely there to be heard. Besided, Bruce Dickinson is one helluva singer, I can even remember him covering some Led Zep material very successfully (though can't remember which song it was and which album it was on), and that really says something.



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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: April 24 2005 at 14:43
Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

I have to be honest with you King of Loss, I believe all DT members (except La Brie) are very talented) I recognize they have Prog' influence, but I find no defined structure, only many solos united by short passages of music.

But the main problem is that I like Iron Maiden, but I dislike DT's music, so my opinion is as subjective as the one from DT fans.

Iván

I'm sorry but Labrie is easily one of the best Rock vocalists ever, but of course if you don't like how "cheesy and whiney" his voice then go ahead, I'm not going to care much.



Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 24 2005 at 16:10

Hey King of Loss, I don't say LaBrie is bad, he's ok foor a metal band, but obviously he's not in the level of Myung who in this moments is one of the best bass players I ever seen and Portnoy who also is among the best.

But I still can't find any logical structure in DT as I don't find in Bboom or Thrakk by King Crimson, and it's a shame, because most of the members of the band are very talented, sometimes making more melodies and trying the easy way instead of showing off is much better.

Iván



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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: April 24 2005 at 17:04

Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

But I still can't find any logical structure in DT as I don't find in Bboom or Thrakk by King Crimson, and it's a shame, because most of the members of the band are very talented, sometimes making more melodies and trying the easy way instead of showing off is much better.

Well, its up to taste, but I do find their last two albums "kinda lacking" Very good- great albums overall, but the songs themselves aren't that spectular, maybe Octavarium can return to the IMO "logical structures of an album like IAW or Awake".



Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 08:17
I see this thread hasnt been moved yet!

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Posted By: henri_ds
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 12:59
Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

I have to be honest with you King of Loss, I believe all DT members (except La Brie) are very talented) I recognize they have Prog' influence, but I find no defined structure, only many solos united by short passages of music.

But the main problem is that I like Iron Maiden, but I dislike DT's music, so my opinion is as subjective as the one from DT fans.

Iván

I'm sorry but Labrie is easily one of the best Rock vocalists ever, but of course if you don't like how "cheesy and whiney" his voice then go ahead, I'm not going to care much.



+1

I just listened to Ayreon's "The Human Equation". LaBrie is amazing, IMO a lot better than during the 2 last DT records. People dissing him just need to listen to him also when outside his DT environment. And his last solo album...


Posted By: John Gargo
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 13:42

Steve Harris, the bassist and primary songwriter for Iron Maiden, is heavily influenced by prog rock acts... they even do a GREAT cover of Jethro Tull's "Cross Eyed Mary" that rivals the original.

Anyway, Maiden are the band that saved me from listening to radio.  For those that can't see progressive influence in their music I point them to their mid 80s albums...

PIECE OF MIND is the first album with outright prog influences... a lot of lengthy instrumental sections, very melodic, and symphonic-structured songs.  "Revelations" is a song with various non-repeating movements.

POWERSLAVE pushes a little closer towards a progressive sound...  The second half of the album is dominated by lengthy suites with an emphasis again on complex instrumental passages.

SOMEWHERE IN TIME incorperated synths into their music, which was a disaster for most rock bands but Maiden was able to do it without compromising their original sound, unlike traditional progressive bands like Yes.

SEVENTH SON OF A SEVENTH SON is their proggiest release... a sparkling concept album.  If anyone listens to this album and doubts a progressive influence, they simply aren't listening enough.  A masterpiece.

Great band... definitely in my top 5, and they put on a great live show.



Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 13:56
Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:

Originally posted by Arteum Arteum wrote:

Where is 'The 7th Son of the 7th Son'?

 

It's my favourite.

 

The middle instrumental riff is SUPERB !!!
Giving me chills every time !!!

Reminds me of Relayer period Yes..seriously, listen to it and think  "Yes"



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Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 15:14
Rime Of the Ancient Mariner


Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 15:43
I suspect had "Rime Of the Ancient Mariner" been one of the choices, it would have been among the leaders. Superb track.


Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: April 25 2005 at 16:47

Rhime Of The Ancient Mariner,

Hallowed Be Thy Name

The Number Of The Beast

Run To The Hills

Alexander The Great

So many great songs. not prog though, but close enough to deserve some mention on a progressive site.



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 30 2005 at 15:56


Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: April 30 2005 at 16:21
1. Alexander The Great
2. Revelations
3. Caught Somewhere In Time
4. Die With Your Boots On
5. The Nomad

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Posted By: Abbath
Date Posted: April 30 2005 at 17:07
As a big metalhead, I'm always expected to love Maiden...but I can't get past the boring overuse of aolian and the cheesy dull melodies.

It's all been done better by Blind Guardian.


Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: April 30 2005 at 22:07
people are very young here: they never mention the 2 first albums with paul di'anno!

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Posted By: Dazo
Date Posted: May 21 2005 at 20:03
The 1st Iron Maiden album is the only one you need to own after that the band went downhill.


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 21 2005 at 20:06

Originally posted by Dazo Dazo wrote:

The 1st Iron Maiden album is the only one you need to own after that the band went downhill.

Yeah sure......as if......whatever..........BTW. why cant I vote in this poll? M@x?



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Posted By: Dazo
Date Posted: May 21 2005 at 20:12

He who hath understanding reckon the number of the beast,for it is a human number.The number is 1(st). 



Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 21 2005 at 20:15
Theres no answer to that! Not that I can think of at the moment.........stupid newbies

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Posted By: Dazo
Date Posted: May 21 2005 at 20:25
I must agree with one of your earlier posts,comparing Relayer to 7th son,cos jon anderson can't sing Heavy Metal either.


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 21 2005 at 20:59

Originally posted by Dazo Dazo wrote:

I must agree with one of your earlier posts,comparing Relayer to 7th son,cos jon anderson can't sing Heavy Metal either.

Oh this is to much!.......I'm cracking up 'ere.......Brilliant!



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Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 09:28

i forgot to give my top 10 here:

1-genghis khan

2-killers

3-murders in the rue morgue

4-prodigal son

5-phantom of the opera

6-prisoner

7-innocent exile

8-twilight zone

9-where eagles dare

10-drifter

 

 



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Posted By: bogdan.
Date Posted: June 26 2005 at 17:06
Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

RUNNN TOOO THE HILLS RUN FOR YOUR LIVESSSSSS

I voted for that and here are my favorites:

Run To The Hills ( of course)

Hallowed be Thy Name

Phantom Of The Opera

Wrathchild

Revelations

And lots more.



RUUUN TOOO THE HIIILLS, RUUUN FOOOR YOOOUR LIIIIIIIVES.
But not that one.
SAnCtuARY, REmEmBER tOmORROW, RunnInG  FREE (1st  version), PhAntOm OF thE OPERA, WRATHCHILD, GENGHIS KHAN and the final one KIILLLLLERRRSS.


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Posted By: Dream Theater
Date Posted: June 28 2005 at 21:21

From there:

1. The Trooper

2. Revelations

3. Aces High

4. Hallowed Be Thy Name

5. Die With Your Boots On



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Posted By: fungusucantkill
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 10:13

1. Fear of the Dark

2. The Tropper

3. Run To The Hills

4. Bring Your Daughter To The Slaughter

5. Phantom of the Opera



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Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 12:36
ALBUMS NOT SONGS:

1. Dance Of Death
2. Brave New World (this is where I started from)
3. Fear Of The Dark
4. Piece Of Mind
5. The Number Of The Beast

In this order
And Special: Live After Death - the best live album ever made!


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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 12:54

HOly Sh!T A Maiden poll i dien't notice Damn I hate myself

1.Hallowed by thy name

2.Fear of The Dark

3.The Thin line between love and hate

4.Revelations

5.The Sighn of the Cross

But those are my current favs... they change all the time!



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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: October 31 2005 at 06:22


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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: October 31 2005 at 06:24

Sign of the cross

The Nomad

Dream of mirrors

Paschendale

To tame a land



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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 31 2005 at 06:37

Rime of the Ancient Mariner

Phamtom of the Opera

Wrathchild

The Trooper

Hallowed Be Thy Name



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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 31 2005 at 08:30

Wow ... this poll reminded me of how rarely I listen to Iron Maiden these days.

Well, I guess I really like:

  • Rime of the Ancient Mariner
  • Powerslave
  • The Number of the Beast
  • Hallowed be thy Name
  • Phantom of the Opera

And many more!



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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: April 05 2006 at 15:02
Originally posted by Eddy Eddy wrote:

Maiden is the best metel has to offer i say!

Ill second that!!! For me Maiden is the incarnation of classic heavy metal


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Posted By: Rising Force
Date Posted: April 06 2006 at 05:57
I haven't been listening to Maiden like I used to but they are still my favorite band.

Top five favorite songs at the moment:

Aces High
The Trooper
2 Minutes to Midnight
Where Eagles Dare
Wasted Years

But I love all their 80s material.





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