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Snow Dog 
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 Posted: April 17 2005 at 15:35 |
None of those bands u mention are prog metal IMO, Ivan
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 15:46 |
Never said they are Prog' Metal Snow Dog (Except maybe Uriah Heep who are the real pioneers of the genre), what I say is that they are closer to Prog' than Dream Theater and as we know most of them are catalogued as metal.
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 15:47 |
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I dont catalogue them as metal!
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 16:00 |
Most of the music listening world does Snow Dog.
I can understand some doubts about Led Zeppelin or Deep Purple, but aren't Iron Maiden and Black Sabbath Metal bands according to everybody?
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 16:04 |
 henri_ds wrote:
EDIT: and please, stop comparing DT with older bands. Look, someone starts a thread about DT, and all of you start talking about how good the classib bands are etc.....
We are talking about DT, not about DT VERSUS 70's prog.
+1 for Deadwing's post. At least someone in here can write a rational statement.
amen!
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Hmm restraint......very difficult...but here goes...
Have you read the title of this thread?
How can one rationally discuss whether Dream Theater are "on their way to becoming the best Prog band ever" without comparing then to what has gone before?
I think that Dream Theater are on their way to becoming the best prog rock group ever because:
Well numbnuts go on,lets see you do this without comparing them to the so-called Giants of prog Rock. You ever passed an exam in your life? Here's your chance:
The only "skewed reality" is the one inside your tiny mind.
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 16:07 |
Reed eats newbies for dinner! 
Easy boy! 
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 16:14 |
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Yes Ivan Sabbath I reckon are metal Maiden are supposed to be....but dont really sound it
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 16:43 |
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Somebody said in his reply that you can't compare DT with the classics.
Thats true but, in my opinion, it isn't for being better or worse, it's
just simply that they have very different styles. In fact if you check
bands formed before the 90's and during or after, sound very very
different. The impact that DT have had is undenieble, only great bands
can do that. Just listen to bands like Ayreon, theyre not so young, not
so old, change their members, includes fish or king krimson's guys
and... just listen even when they sound more like art rock than metal,
the impact of DT is there, and when you listen the incredible "the
human ecuation" and LaBrie is singin your mind goes wild.
And I disagree very much about your thinking of James, listen to him
outside DT, for example frameshift, explorers club, ayreo, shadow
gallery... etc and you will notice that he is always in control of his
voice, but some of DT's songs are to agressive and he goes to treble
and to loud.
Well, my opinion is that they are one of the gratest bands ever, many
of the songs are highly elaborated like learning to live, they even
sound mathematical. But the must important is the impact over prog.
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TOEFL in latin america = neolanguage
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 17:14 |
Heres the definition of prog metal from our very own Proog Archives
. First bands playing in this style were Queensryche and Fates Warning, but the term "progressive metal" gained its wide use only after the appearance of probably the most well-known prog metal band, Dream Theater in the beginning of the 90s. Long compositions with complicated structures and highly professional instrumental parts, concept albums and intellectual lyrics - that's what prog metal is all about. Combinations: Progressive power metal, symphonic progressive metal, symphonic progressive power metal.
Of course no one has to agree with this, but i thuoght it worth a read.
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 17:28 |
Nah - they're not fast enough.
But I could swear I heard a Bob Marley riff towards the end of "Spirit of Radio". ;o)
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 17:29 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Yes Ivan Sabbath I reckon are metal Maiden are supposed to be....but dont really sound it |
Iron Maiden were one of the stalwarts of the New Wave of British Heavy Metal in the early 1980s - of course they're metal!
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 17:30 |
Certif1ed wrote:
Nah - they're not fast enough.
But I could swear I heard a Bob Marley riff towards the end of "Spirit of Radio". ;o)
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By God I think hes got it......
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 17:42 |
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for me prog is everything Snow Dog mentioned but it's still missing something important:
progressive lyrics express mostly strong feelings or tell stories.
those bands music often sounds like a musical, an opera or a movie
soundtrack IMO
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 17:46 |
I Have to admit that this whole thread would have made a lot mores
sense, and been alot more interesting and debatable, if the question
had been this:
Is Dream Theater on its way to becoming one of the great prog bands in the vein of the classics of the 70s?
Now THERE'S a topic I would like to debate on 
**Not to diss the thread in the first place, I love this kinda stuff,
but a little re-wording of the quesiton may have eased tensions between
some of the more opinionated members, myself included 
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 17:54 |
morral wrote:
for me prog is everything Snow Dog mentioned but it's still missing something important:
progressive lyrics express mostly strong feelings or tell stories. those bands music often sounds like a musical, an opera or a movie soundtrack IMO
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Thanks Morral but they are not my words. I took them from thhhe Archives definitions of Progressive Metal
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 18:14 |
Snow Dog wrote:
morral wrote:
for me prog is everything Snow Dog mentioned but it's still missing something important:
progressive
lyrics express mostly strong feelings or tell stories. those bands
music often sounds like a musical, an opera or a movie soundtrack IMO
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Thanks Morral but they are not my words. I took them from thhhe Archives definitions of Progressive Metal |
but...but.........you are dumb anyway! bah! 
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 18:18 |
Certif1ed wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Yes Ivan Sabbath I reckon are metal Maiden are supposed to be....but dont really sound it |
Iron Maiden were one of the stalwarts of the New Wave of British Heavy Metal in the early 1980s - of course they're metal!
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Yes I know they were, but that was a press description for all the bands of that time. I dont have to agree with everything the press says. i think theres room for discussion on this.
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 18:40 |
At the end of the day we all know that Dream Theater's biggest influence is Rush.Without Rush there would have been no Dream Theater.So,if Rush can't be considered either a "classic prog band" or "the best prog band" it is difficult for me to see how one can consider Dream Theater for the title of best prog band either.
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 18:45 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Yes Ivan Sabbath I reckon are metal Maiden are supposed to be....but dont really sound it |
Iron Maiden were one of the stalwarts of the New Wave of British Heavy Metal in the early 1980s - of course they're metal!
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Yes I know they were, but that was a press description for all the bands of that time. I dont have to agree with everything the press says. i think theres room for discussion on this.
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Holy God, you're stubborn, well let me inform you that the rest of the world doesn't have to agree with what only you say.
Iván
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 18:50 |
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What the Hell Kind of Topic is This!!!!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO - DREAM THEATER is nowhere near as good as YES, GENESIS, ELP, CRIMSON, TULL, of even PINK FLOYD!!!!
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