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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: April 16 2005 at 22:58 |
Oy vey, what do we have here?? Someone asking a simple question with a reasonable stake at hand, and the people go ballistic! |
A reasonable question would have been to ask if Dream Theater is a great band, I'm sure there would be many more votes in favour of them.
But asking if they are (Or will ever be) the greatest prog' and ever!!!!! is unreasonable and closer to Sci Fi than to reality.
Iván
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threefates
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Posted: April 16 2005 at 23:36 |
^ Yeh, first they'd actually have to be a prog band... and thats extremely questionable!!
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THIS IS ELP
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BebieM
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 05:14 |
i gave the 100th vote for 'no'
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henri_ds
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 06:02 |
NetsNJFan wrote:
YES, GENESIS, KING CRIMSON, JETHRO TULL, VdGG, ELP, PINK FLOYD AND CARAVAN destroy dream theater
anyone who can beat CLOSE TO THE EDGE or FOXTROT can assume best Prog Band |
Ok, ok, but you know what ? MOST OF THESE BANDS ARE f**kING DEAD !!!!
Of course they made some of the best music ever to be created by human
beings (especially Floyd and Genesis), I love them, but, the guys that
formed these bands are like around 60 years old !!! in 25 years, it's
hard to admit but they'll be 6 feet under !!! And what, you want to be
looking at the past, for the rest of your days ?! come on, move on,
admit that these bands are dead, and stop being so NEGATIVE about bands
that aren't 30 years old !!! Look at the future, instead of whining
about the past !!!!
Bands like DT, PoS, Opeth, Porcupine Tree etc.. ARE the future of prog (and prog metal).
face it. If you like them, fine. If you don't like them, or dont WANT
to like them, because you dont want to "betray the prog gods of the
seventies", well, stay dumb and close-minded.
Flame me to death now, I don't f**king care about it. I'm just
tired of most members around here, for whom everything after 1979 is
pure sh*t. And, they often have the pretention of judging, killing a
band, without having listened to it.
EDIT: and please, stop comparing DT with older bands. Look, someone
starts a thread about DT, and all of you start talking about how good
the classib bands are etc.....
We are talking about DT, not about DT VERSUS 70's prog.
+1 for Deadwing's post. At least someone in here can write a rational statement.
amen!
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TBWART
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 06:12 |
there will be no one greatest. YES, Crimso and Genesis hold the throne. Maybe they will be the greatest neoprog outfit, maybe not. Ever heard a Ayreon album? I don't hear much difference in complexity and beauty.
Some bands are out there all alone, some bands just know how to deliver a decent musical trick. No offence, they are truly great. Not the greatest, and never the greatest.
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''progression is trying to eliminate boundries''
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henri_ds
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 06:15 |
Well, if DT wont be the *greatest*, who you think will be ?
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valravennz
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 07:07 |
The Beatles for sure will be around for time immemorial. Yes, ELP, Jethro Tull and King Crimson because they created a music revolution. The Beatles because they started the whole thing back in the 60's. Their influence on preceding styles of pop/rock music of most genres is undeniable
Cheers
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- Robert Fripp
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Valarius
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 09:25 |
Dream Theater are probably doing more for Prog right now then any other band at the moment. You can all deny it as much as you want, but how many (ie. me) got into Prog thanks to Dream Theater?
Thanks to Dream Theater, I'm now into Yes, Savatage, Mike Oldfield, Marillion, Van Der Graff Generator, Queensryche and many more.
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Radioactive Toy
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 09:27 |
well there are 17 idiots on this forum by now....
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salmacis
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 09:57 |
Dream Theater are NOWHERE NEAR becoming the greatest prog band in my opinion!
Whilst I do like their music, it isn't as memorable as any of the greats of prog; in fact, despite me being a mere 17, I much prefer older prog music (as I imagine many board members are) to any modern prog band out there.
I have to say, the same applies to heavy metal and rock in general for myself.
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Reed Lover
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 10:01 |
threefates wrote:
^ Yeh, first they'd actually have to be a prog band... and thats extremely questionable!!
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Unusually I agree-they are a heavy metal band with Prog sensibilities.Prog metal does not exist.Playing endless hevy metal riffs in different time signatures and throwing in keyboard rambles and the occasional orchestration,does not make you a Prog Rock band! I can listen to SDOIT,but some of the arrangements are laughable.
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henri_ds
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 10:27 |
Radioactive Toy wrote:
well there are 17 idiots on this forum by now.... |
and MANY more, like you.
I thought that the prog community was made of intelligent, rational,
open-minded people. Thanks to some guys here, they all proved me wrong.
You talk sh*t about everything that's not prog and that is not from the
70s. congrats people, you've just proved your stupidity and ignorance.
Many many so-called progheads make themselves an immense joy of dissing
with occasional animosity DT, and also other prog bands from the 90s.
Why so ? Are you jealous of their success in the prog world ? any other
reason ?
As someone else said, if I wasn't into DT, I wouldnt' be AT ALL into
prog. DT got me into : Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd, Neal Morse, PoS,
Porcupine Tree, Queensr˙che, OSI, LTE, Transatlantic, Planet X,
Meshuggah....
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 11:04 |
I thought that the prog community was made of intelligent, rational, open-minded people
What made u think that
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Radioactive Toy
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 11:07 |
henri_ds wrote:
Radioactive Toy wrote:
well there are 17 idiots on this forum by now.... |
and MANY more, like you.
I thought that the prog community was made of intelligent, rational, open-minded people. Thanks to some guys here, they all proved me wrong. You talk sh*t about everything that's not prog and that is not from the 70s. congrats people, you've just proved your stupidity and ignorance.
Many many so-called progheads make themselves an immense joy of dissing with occasional animosity DT, and also other prog bands from the 90s. Why so ? Are you jealous of their success in the prog world ? any other reason ?
As someone else said, if I wasn't into DT, I wouldnt' be AT ALL into prog. DT got me into : Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd, Neal Morse, PoS, Porcupine Tree, Queensr˙che, OSI, LTE, Transatlantic, Planet X, Meshuggah....
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all DT fans who think DT IS the greatest proved stupidity and ignorance.. JUST the progressive metalscene is so widespread.. Almost every DT fan begins and stops with DT.. maybe 2 or 3 more bands.. It's SO irritating to hear "uh dream theatre is tha best" well DT just isn't!
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 11:11 |
henri_ds wrote:
Radioactive Toy wrote:
well there are 17 idiots on this forum by now.... |
and MANY more, like you.
I thought that the prog community was made of intelligent, rational, open-minded people. Thanks to some guys here, they all proved me wrong. You talk sh*t about everything that's not prog and that is not from the 70s. congrats people, you've just proved your stupidity and ignorance.
Many many so-called progheads make themselves an immense joy of dissing with occasional animosity DT, and also other prog bands from the 90s. Why so ? Are you jealous of their success in the prog world ? any other reason ?
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Your post tells me five things:
I) You can use a keyboard 2)You have an Internet Account 3)You can access the forum 4)You are incredibly arrogant 5)You are not too fond of the Right Of Freedom Of Speech.
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Radioactive Toy
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 11:23 |
Reed Lover wrote:
henri_ds wrote:
Radioactive Toy wrote:
well there are 17 idiots on this forum by now.... |
and MANY more, like you.
I thought that the prog community was made of intelligent, rational, open-minded people. Thanks to some guys here, they all proved me wrong. You talk sh*t about everything that's not prog and that is not from the 70s. congrats people, you've just proved your stupidity and ignorance.
Many many so-called progheads make themselves an immense joy of dissing with occasional animosity DT, and also other prog bands from the 90s. Why so ? Are you jealous of their success in the prog world ? any other reason ?
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Your post tells me five things:
I) You can use a keyboard 2)You have an Internet Account 3)You can access the forum 4)You are incredibly arrogant 5)You are not too fond of the Right Of Freedom Of Speech.
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how about that he has registered himself on this site stupid
OHHH NOOO THE 18TH IDIOT HAS JOINED!
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Valarius
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 11:52 |
Radioactive Toy wrote:
all DT fans who think DT IS the greatest proved stupidity and ignorance.
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Your forgetting we all have different opinions. THAT is ignorance.
To me, Dream Theater is the greatest band ever. Not just prog, but everything.
But hey, that's just my opinion. I don't really care whether you agree or not, because that's how I feel.
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Radioactive Toy
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 12:07 |
Valarius wrote:
Radioactive Toy wrote:
all DT fans who think DT IS the greatest proved stupidity and ignorance.
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Your forgetting we all have different opinions. THAT is ignorance.
To me, Dream Theater is the greatest band ever. Not just prog, but everything.
But hey, that's just my opinion. I don't really care whether you agree or not, because that's how I feel.
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ARGH take a look around you!
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henri_ds
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 12:24 |
Radioactive Toy wrote:
henri_ds wrote:
Radioactive Toy wrote:
well there are 17 idiots on this forum by now.... |
and MANY more, like you.
I
thought that the prog community was made of intelligent, rational,
open-minded people. Thanks to some guys here, they all proved me wrong.
You talk sh*t about everything that's not prog and that is not from the
70s. congrats people, you've just proved your stupidity and ignorance.
Many
many so-called progheads make themselves an immense joy of dissing with
occasional animosity DT, and also other prog bands from the 90s. Why so
? Are you jealous of their success in the prog world ? any other reason
?
As someone else said, if I wasn't into DT, I wouldnt' be AT
ALL into prog. DT got me into : Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd, Neal Morse,
PoS, Porcupine Tree, Queensr˙che, OSI, LTE, Transatlantic, Planet X,
Meshuggah....
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all DT fans who think DT IS the greatest proved stupidity
and ignorance.. JUST the progressive metalscene is so widespread.. Almost every DT fan begins and stops with DT.. maybe 2 or 3 more bands.. It's SO irritating to hear "uh dream theatre is tha best" well DT just isn't! |
Well, I cited some other bands, and there are more. I didn't "stop"
with DT. DT conducted me into other genres and bands. What you say has
no sense.
all DT fans who think DT IS the greatest proved stupidity
and ignorance... |
and what if....that's our f*cking opinion ? Even after having listened
to many other bands ? Is there a rule, "DT fans are not allowed to
think that their favorite band is the best" ?
I don't know you well enough, but, what if I said, "all Pink Floyd
fans(apparently that's your case) who think PF IS the greatest proved
stupidity and ignorance..." ?
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: April 17 2005 at 12:45 |
Many many so-called progheads make themselves an immense joy of dissing with occasional animosity DT, and also other prog bands from the 90s. Why so ? Are you jealous of their success in the prog world ? any other reason ?
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- So called progheads? Well, most of us been following the genre for 30 or more years, we've been unpopular, always minority but we been faithful, I think we earned the right to be called honest and faithful progheads, ,
- We've seen many other genres like Disco, Punk or New Wave appear and dissapear during all those years and will probably see other sub-genres and pseudo progressive bands vanish.
- Dissing 90's bands? I've not seen almost anybody dissing Anglagard, Par Lindh, Glass Hammer, The Red Masque, Fantomas, Porcupine Tree, etc. The problem is with Dream Theater, most of us believe it's highly overrated.
- Jealous of the success of the prog' world? Maybe Dream Theater fans seem to be almost exclusive with their band, most of us love a determined band over all, but show respect for the rest of the bands and are happy to see the success of each and every one.
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Almost every DT fan begins and stops with DT.. maybe 2 or 3 more bands.. It's SO irritating to hear "uh dream theatre is tha best" well DT just isn't! |
Good point RT, when somebody askedfor 10 favorite albums, most of the people in the forum answered with at least 6 or 7 different bands, but this a DT fan's list.
Dream Theater: When Dream And Day Unite Dream Theater: Images And Words Dream Theater: Awake Dream Theater: A Change Of Seasons Dream Theater: Falling Into Infinity Dream Theater: Scenes From A Memory Dream Theater: Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence Dream Theater: Train Of Thought Savatage: Poets And Madmen Mike Oldfield: Crises
8 albums by DT, one by another Prog Metal band and only one by a 100% prog artist, don't anybody believe this like too much for a PROGRESSIVE ROCK PAGE?
But everyone is entitled to his own taste, that's why the "close minded" (being sarcastic) moderators don't say a word when lists like that are included in a page designed for Progressive Rock.
Iván
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