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Arsillus
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Posted: April 12 2005 at 20:35 |
Even though I enjoy listening to Dream Theater, no way, not in a million years are they on their way to being the best prog band ever. I think they're good, but nowhere close to being the best prog band.
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gok22us
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Posted: April 12 2005 at 21:29 |
They're a great band for sure.........but its really hard to peg a band as the greatest ever, as there are so many different ways you can praise and bash bands
if anyone, i'd say Yes, King Crimson, ELP, or Pink Floyd, but even then you can't really pick one as they're so different.
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eriksalkeld
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Posted: April 12 2005 at 21:42 |
great band indeed... BUT THERE IS NO WAY IT'S GONNA BE THE GREATEST PROG BAND.... NO CHANCE!!!! only one of the best, along with at least 40 more i guess...
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Autenticidad, actitud, pluralidad, espiritu e inteligencia, si es prog bien, si no, tambien.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: April 12 2005 at 23:05 |
I believe that if DT members don't learn that playing complex solos with almost no connection is not the best way to create a coherent composition, they will always be incapable to create well structured music.
We know each and every DT member (Except LaBrie who's voice I can't resist) are very skilled in their respective instruments and can do incredible solos, but that's the best I can say about them, IMO their compositions lack of structure (with a few exceptions),and that's not enough to be a great band.
Iván
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valravennz
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Posted: April 12 2005 at 23:45 |
DT the greatest prog band ever???
The question everyone should ask themselves is will DT still be remembered in 50 years? I seriously doubt it.
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"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence"
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antisilence
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Posted: April 13 2005 at 03:08 |
Valarius wrote:
Why does Dream Theater have to be innovative to be good?
Everyone says they're not innovative... so what?
You all say they're overrated and receive too much radio-time, yet a band of 5 virtuosos is hardly gonna be playing in pubs are they? |
Am sorry...thats 4 virtuosos.......and a donkey
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tuxon
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Posted: April 13 2005 at 03:12 |
antisilence wrote:
Valarius wrote:
Why does Dream Theater have to be innovative to be good?
Everyone says they're not innovative... so what?
You all say they're overrated and receive too much radio-time, yet a band of 5 virtuosos is hardly gonna be playing in pubs are they?
| Am sorry...thats 4 virtuosos.......and a donkey |
Stop bashing Portnoy please, he's not a donkey
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Jim Garten
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Posted: April 13 2005 at 03:45 |
5 Virtuosi?
Maybe one true virtuoso (Jordan Rudess) + three very good musicians + a vocalist who couldn't carry a tune in a bucket live.
If it weren't for Rudess, DT would be just another heavy metal band by now - I consider they began to swing away from prog-rock when Sherinian left. He was the one whose use of keyboards really defined their pre-heavy metal sound.
Again - just my opinion.
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El TAM
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Posted: April 13 2005 at 03:52 |
Well, at least they stick to making good music, unlike some other - classic - bands did in their day:
Genesis... (And Then There Were Three... And The Music Worth Nil) Yes (90125... gasp... need... oxygen...) Pink Floyd (Their "Wall" sealed off an era, not an area...) etc. etc.
So, in my opinion, if they remain on the course they have set years ago, as they do now, they can rest assured of having gained a place among the greatest of the greatest.
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Moribund
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Posted: April 13 2005 at 04:19 |
Gentle Ronnie wrote:
King Crimson will keep the title of the best band in the history of prog music forever.
Also, I think that DT's best days are over, although the band's members are still doing great.
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King Crimson: best band forever - a provocative, but persuasive claim! King Crimson certainly win for consistency, inventiveness, integrity, influence and historical significance. HOWEVER, recent releases have begun to make me begin to question Fripp's (previously unerring) ability to remove the band from existence rather than release sub-standard material...
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: April 13 2005 at 21:32 |
EL TAM wrote:
Well, at least they stick to making good music, unlike some other - classic - bands did in their day:
Genesis... (And Then There Were Three... And The Music Worth Nil) Yes (90125... gasp... need... oxygen...) Pink Floyd (Their "Wall" sealed off an era, not an area...) etc. etc. |
They are still young, wait a couple of years and they'll make some crap
But the real point is that maybe they haven't got cheesie yet, but neither they have masterpieces of the size of Foxtrot, Close to the Edge or Wish You Were Here. So thery still are farfrom the greater bands.
EL TAM wrote:
So, in my opinion, if they remain on the course they have set years ago, as they do now, they can rest assured of having gained a place among the greatest of the greatest. |
Honestly I doubt it, most progheads don't accept them and metalheads believe they are too pompous, so I don't se a chance for them to join the Prog or Metal Pantheon.
Iván
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ShaggyMcShagg7
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Posted: April 13 2005 at 22:09 |
Although DT is one of my favorite bands, I cannot say that they are the best or on their way to be the best. I believe its hard to label any progressive rock band "the best" even King Crimson or Yes. I will say that they are the best in the Progressive Metal genre, but certainly not blowing bands such as Symphony X or Queensryche out of the water.
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Eddy
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Posted: April 13 2005 at 22:28 |
they are good, but i think there alreasy over. thats my guess, not a fact dont get angry dt lovers! therefore, there rain is already over, and anyways they would mstill need a better album even though they have some really solid ones. the band to look out for is ozriz tenticles
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HaroldLand
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Posted: April 13 2005 at 22:53 |
bluetailfly wrote:
Antisilence,
I really think you should listen to a lot more prog before
creating a ludicrous poll like this. Your love affair with DT
has obviously clouded your mind to the point of near-insanity. I
saw DT open for Yes and while I thought they were darn good, listening
to what followed really put their rather limited range of sound into
true perspective. Yes blew them away. |
i also saw them open for yes, last september, in london ontario.. and
yeah, it was freakin amazing (especially since i was in the third row ),
but after a while it became just mud... high synth and low power
chords.. an obnoxious singer who runs off stage in the middle of a song
after he's done singing.. don't get me wrong.. the musicianship was
astounding, but when yes came on, their sound was sooo much better.. so
much more texture, much more pleasing to the ears.. not to
mention that the metal heads standing in front of me left after DT was
done
what a rediculous poll..
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Rob The Good
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Posted: April 13 2005 at 23:21 |
OF COURSE NOT!
Dream Theater wouldn't exist if it weren't for:
1. Yes
2. Uriah Heep (Prog Metal pioneers I'll have you know)
3. King Crimson
4. Probably a few others
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And Jesus said unto John, "come forth and receive eternal life..."
Unfortunately, John came fifth and was stuck with a toaster.
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Posted: April 14 2005 at 06:13 |
Rob The Good wrote:
OF COURSE NOT!
Dream Theater wouldn't exist if it weren't for: 1. Yes 2. Uriah Heep (Prog Metal pioneers I'll have you know) 3. King Crimson
4. METALLICA 5. Probably a few others |
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El TAM
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Posted: April 14 2005 at 06:42 |
All bands derive from other bands, ultimately all music can be traced back to some Ape deriving extreme joy from unabashedly smashing a log...
To add two bands to Dream Theater's influences:
Rush, Iron Maiden --> DT's first album, When Dream And Day Unite, sounds exactly like a Rush/Iron Maiden cross-over with many Metallica-influences...
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Posted: April 16 2005 at 17:26 |
bluetailfly wrote:
Antisilence,
I really think you should listen to a lot more prog before
creating a ludicrous poll like this. Your love affair with DT
has obviously clouded your mind to the point of near-insanity. I
saw DT open for Yes and while I thought they were darn good, listening
to what followed really put their rather limited range of sound into
true perspective. Yes blew them away. |
Agree with a lot of the milder comments made here - AS you need to
expand your horizons and then give it 10 or 30 years. Come back in 2035
and tell us the same, expalin in detail why many other bands should not
have the title and I might go along with you .
What was that band in Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy who were so loud
, that they were forced to put their speakers and amps on a
neighbouring moon??? We could have something like that in
2035...........................................
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Valarius
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Posted: April 16 2005 at 17:45 |
HaroldLand wrote:
i also saw them open for yes, last september, in london ontario.. and yeah, it was freakin amazing (especially since i was in the third row ), but after a while it became just mud... high synth and low power chords.. an obnoxious singer who runs off stage in the middle of a song after he's done singing.. don't get me wrong.. the musicianship was astounding, but when yes came on, their sound was sooo much better.. so much more texture, much more pleasing to the ears.. not to mention that the metal heads standing in front of me left after DT was done what a rediculous poll.. |
Well they're hardly gonna put more effort into the sound of the support band are they?
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Deadwing12
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Posted: April 16 2005 at 18:20 |
Oy vey, what do we have here?? Someone asking a simple question with a reasonable stake at hand, and the people go ballistic!
First of all, we are not being asked if we love Dream Theater. I
already stated on another thread that Dream Theater is very polarizing
and you either love them or you hate them, usually for the same
reasons. I believe the question asked was if Dream Theater would be the
best progressive rock band ever.
Let's consider the facts:
Since 1992's Images and Words, which gained radio airply, singles,
music videos, and many, many fans, Dream Theater has consistently
pumped out high-caliber music for the masses to enjoy. 6 CDs have been
released since I&W, all critcally aclaimed by not just prog-heads,
but even by the general public. They have sold out shows across the
globe, continue to redefine their sound and their audience, and have
recently opened on tour with Yes, quite possibly the current bearer of
the title of the best prog band. With the "Gigantour" this summer,
Dream Theater will expand its image even farther into the realm of
"metal" all the while getting new fans and new appreciation.
Say what you will about Dream Theater's new direction (or whole
direction in the first place), their presence can't be denied: almost
every prog-metal band around now owes something to Dream Theater.
Already onto their 8th CD, they show no signs of stopping.
One thing I don't seem to understand is the way a lot of people diss
any type of modern prog, saying "nothing will ever compare to the
classics." This statement doesn't make much sense, because the only
seemingly reason these bands are "classic" are because they came first
and were commercially succesful enough to garner a following. Nowadays,
most bands refuse to cater to the masses, and the ones that do are seen
as sell-outs, giving up their talent to make money. And if a band
starts out succesfully mainstream (The Mars Volta, Radiohead), they are
bashed as not truly being prog for the simple fact that they are
succseful commercially...just like these so-called "classics!"
But that's an argument for another day. Dream Theater is NOT my
favorite band by all means, by they are currently one of the biggest
prog-rock bands at this time, there's no denying that. While I do admit
if they stay on their current nu-metal-ish path I will be gravely
dissapointed, I would't be surprised if Dream Theater became even
bigger and joined the ranks with the "classic bands" of the 70s. For my
money's worth, though....I already consider them modern classics
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