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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2005 at 20:15
Originally posted by Arsillus Arsillus wrote:

I saw on the cover of a recent "Entertainment Weekly:"

"GREEN DAY SAVE ROCK."

From Entertainmentweekly.com:

 

Jolly Green Giants
How Green Day saved rock -- and their own career. The elder statesmen of pop-punk talk about longevity, Grammys, and crafting their smartest album yet: ''American Idiot'' by Tom Sinclair

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FRUITFUL EFFORT With ''American Idiot,'' Dirnt, Cool, and Armstrong have rocketed to the top of the charts
FRUITFUL EFFORT With ''American Idiot,'' Dirnt, Cool, and Armstrong have rocketed to the top of the charts.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
I vomited.
 
 
 
 
 

 

Aha! So the Mars Volta aren't REALLY the saviours of rock after all!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2005 at 23:09
Originally posted by FuzzyDude FuzzyDude wrote:

Originally posted by Arsillus Arsillus wrote:

I saw on the cover of a recent "Entertainment Weekly:"

"GREEN DAY SAVE ROCK."

From Entertainmentweekly.com:

 

Jolly Green Giants
How Green Day saved rock -- and their own career. The elder statesmen of pop-punk talk about longevity, Grammys, and crafting their smartest album yet: ''American Idiot'' by Tom Sinclair

var mainImgWidth="400";
FRUITFUL EFFORT With ''American Idiot,'' Dirnt, Cool, and Armstrong have rocketed to the top of the charts
FRUITFUL EFFORT With ''American Idiot,'' Dirnt, Cool, and Armstrong have rocketed to the top of the charts.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
I vomited.
 
 
 
 
 

 

Aha! So the Mars Volta aren't REALLY the saviours of rock after all!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2005 at 15:35
It really gets to me when prog fans are denounced as arrogant and elitest for saying that they think a particular type of non-prog music is sh*t.  We're all entitled to our own opinions.

Personally, Green Day don't do anything for me at all, musically speaking.  I like some stuff from the hip-hop, folk, jazz and blues worlds, but nothing I've heard from such artists (for the most part) has ever affected me in the same way that the "prog" bands I listen to have.  To me, they are superior both intellectually and musically, but that's just me.  Does this make me a snob?  No, only human.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2005 at 15:39

Originally posted by Jim Prog Wizard Jim Prog Wizard wrote:

It really gets to me when prog fans are denounced as arrogant and elitest for saying that they think a particular type of non-prog music is sh*t.  We're all entitled to our own opinions.

Personally, Green Day don't do anything for me at all, musically speaking.  I like some stuff from the hip-hop, folk, jazz and blues worlds, but nothing I've heard from such artists (for the most part) has ever affected me in the same way that the "prog" bands I listen to have.  To me, they are superior both intellectually and musically, but that's just me.  Does this make me a snob?  No, only human.

Well, we are arrogant and elitist.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2005 at 15:41
I'm elitist, but not in terms of prog. For me to like something it usually has to have something considerably original/unique. Apart from lots of drone and funeral doom metal, which for some reason I like regardless.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2005 at 15:48
Next time someone insults Led Zeppelin like that, kick them in the groin very hard so they can't reproduce.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2005 at 22:06

Prog is more obviously appealing to those of us who like to evaluate...as a group, we're probably more focused on the musicians' skills than many music fans. This approach does tend to make us more appreciative, on possibly a deeper level, but it can also lead us to believe that skill and complexity is more important than the ultimate effect of the work.

Personally, I believe that objectively "better" music doesn't always have to be your "preferred" music. You can appreciate a well-done work without having any real personal enjoyment. You can also dislike something which is obviously superior in construction but doesn't do for you what you want a work of music to do.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2005 at 01:07
Originally posted by James Lee James Lee wrote:

Prog is more obviously appealing to those of us who like to evaluate...as a group, we're probably more focused on the musicians' skills than many music fans. This approach does tend to make us more appreciative, on possibly a deeper level, but it can also lead us to believe that skill and complexity is more important than the ultimate effect of the work.

Personally, I believe that objectively "better" music doesn't always have to be your "preferred" music. You can appreciate a well-done work without having any real personal enjoyment. You can also dislike something which is obviously superior in construction but doesn't do for you what you want a work of music to do.

Very, very true. My wise and beautiful wife has a saying for this.

"Too much w**kery doesn't acheieve anything if you can't get off to it."

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2005 at 01:13
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2005 at 03:50
This thread is a fine example of not judging a book by it's cover; I've always avoided reading this thread due to it's title, but I thought I'd give it a quick look, and it turns out to be a fine, well mannered, and occasionally funny debate...

I remember those!

Well done everyone, keep it up - if I can think of anything vaguely intelligent to say on the subject, I shall chip in.

Mind you, Green Day's vocalist really wants to sound like the chap from The Levellers...

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