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Posted: April 09 2005 at 20:15 |
Arsillus wrote:
I saw on the cover of a recent "Entertainment Weekly:"
"GREEN DAY SAVE ROCK."
From Entertainmentweekly.com:
Jolly Green Giants
How Green Day saved rock -- and their own career. The elder statesmen of pop-punk talk about longevity, Grammys, and crafting their smartest album yet: ''American Idiot'' by Tom Sinclair
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FRUITFUL EFFORT With ''American Idiot,'' Dirnt, Cool, and Armstrong have rocketed to the top of the charts.
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I vomited.
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Aha! So the Mars Volta aren't REALLY the saviours of rock after all!
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Arsillus
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Posted: April 09 2005 at 23:09 |
FuzzyDude wrote:
Arsillus wrote:
I saw on the cover of a recent "Entertainment Weekly:"
"GREEN DAY SAVE ROCK."
From Entertainmentweekly.com:
Jolly Green Giants
How Green Day saved rock -- and their own career. The elder statesmen of pop-punk talk about longevity, Grammys, and crafting their smartest album yet: ''American Idiot'' by Tom Sinclair
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FRUITFUL EFFORT With ''American Idiot,'' Dirnt, Cool, and Armstrong have rocketed to the top of the charts.
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I vomited.
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Aha! So the Mars Volta aren't REALLY the saviours of rock after all!
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Jim Prog Wizard
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Posted: April 10 2005 at 15:35 |
It really gets to me when prog fans are denounced as arrogant and
elitest for saying that they think a particular type of non-prog music
is sh*t. We're all entitled to our own opinions.
Personally, Green Day don't do anything for me at all, musically
speaking. I like some stuff from the hip-hop, folk, jazz and
blues worlds, but nothing I've heard from such artists (for the most
part) has ever affected me in the same way that the "prog" bands I
listen to have. To me, they are superior both intellectually and
musically, but that's just me. Does this make me a snob?
No, only human.
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"Progressive Rock is the ultimate form of music" (Mikael Akerfeldt, 2003)
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Posted: April 10 2005 at 15:39 |
Jim Prog Wizard wrote:
It really gets to me when prog fans are denounced as arrogant and elitest for saying that they think a particular type of non-prog music is sh*t. We're all entitled to our own opinions.
Personally, Green Day don't do anything for me at all, musically speaking. I like some stuff from the hip-hop, folk, jazz and blues worlds, but nothing I've heard from such artists (for the most part) has ever affected me in the same way that the "prog" bands I listen to have. To me, they are superior both intellectually and musically, but that's just me. Does this make me a snob? No, only human.
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Well, we are arrogant and elitist.
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goose
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Posted: April 10 2005 at 15:41 |
I'm elitist, but not in terms of prog. For me to like something it usually has to have something considerably original/unique. Apart from lots of drone and funeral doom metal, which for some reason I like regardless.
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Posted: April 10 2005 at 15:48 |
Next time someone insults Led Zeppelin like that, kick them in the groin very hard so they can't reproduce.
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James Lee
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Posted: April 10 2005 at 22:06 |
Prog is more obviously appealing to those of us who like to evaluate...as a group, we're probably more focused on the musicians' skills than many music fans. This approach does tend to make us more appreciative, on possibly a deeper level, but it can also lead us to believe that skill and complexity is more important than the ultimate effect of the work.
Personally, I believe that objectively "better" music doesn't always have to be your "preferred" music. You can appreciate a well-done work without having any real personal enjoyment. You can also dislike something which is obviously superior in construction but doesn't do for you what you want a work of music to do.
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Posted: April 11 2005 at 01:07 |
James Lee wrote:
Prog is more obviously appealing to those of us who like to evaluate...as a group, we're probably more focused on the musicians' skills than many music fans. This approach does tend to make us more appreciative, on possibly a deeper level, but it can also lead us to believe that skill and complexity is more important than the ultimate effect of the work.
Personally, I believe that objectively "better" music doesn't always have to be your "preferred" music. You can appreciate a well-done work without having any real personal enjoyment. You can also dislike something which is obviously superior in construction but doesn't do for you what you want a work of music to do.
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Very, very true. My wise and beautiful wife has a saying for this.
"Too much w**kery doesn't acheieve anything if you can't get off to it."
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Posted: April 11 2005 at 01:13 |
Whiners.
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Posted: April 11 2005 at 03:50 |
This thread is a fine example of not judging a book by it's cover; I've always avoided reading this thread due to it's title, but I thought I'd give it a quick look, and it turns out to be a fine, well mannered, and occasionally funny debate...
I remember those!
Well done everyone, keep it up - if I can think of anything vaguely intelligent to say on the subject, I shall chip in.
Mind you, Green Day's vocalist really wants to sound like the chap from The Levellers...
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