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Velvetclown ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 8548 |
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Joren ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 07 2004 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 6667 |
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Vibrationbaby ROCKS!!!
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Alucard ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 10 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 3888 |
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GENTLE GIANT Octopus Review by Catherine Motuz M.Mus (McGill) @ 1:26:52 PM EST, 5/29/2004 PROG REVIEWER ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() The first track, "The Advent of Panurge" falls into the ballad category, but with a lot of twists. The first is one that permeates all of their songs: an innovative use of stereo for musical effect. Here, two singers singing at different times are accompanied each by a guitar, one at the far left, and one at the far right. We get the idea of a conversation here, even though both singers share the same text. Other twists that will come back include the alternation of time signatures, here between 4/4 and the jarring 11/8. The last twist is the virtuosic use of electronic devices from the time. Here, signal processing to change the sound of the singing voices give them a surreal quality, while different types of distortion at the same time give the listener many options what to listen to. As with most tracks on this CD, the end is not very satisfying, here not because of any musical deficiency, but because of a reticence to put enough silence between the tracks to clear the palate. ![]() Raconteur Troubadour does a great job echoing different types of music, then blows it by announcing in their notes "we have tried to capture something of the medieval English troubadour..." The fiddle,it's not a fiddle it's just a violin while effective, is not a medieval instrument in the least, while the music after the second verse, the English processional, sounds like Edward Elgar, the late 19th-Century English composer, and not medieval in the least. I enjoyed this track for its tongue-in-cheek references, but when I got to the end and Gentle Giant's tongue came out of their cheek, I gagged. In terms of the actual playing, the trumpet playing on this track is very good indeed, though the fiddle can get thin sounding at times. I am not sure if this is the playing or the recording (or amplification?), as the string playing on all the tracks have a similar, bodiless sound. A rounder sound might have brought out better the clever mix of two main themes towards the end. I felt it a pity that with so many acoustic instruments and references to the troubadour's lute, that Gentle Giant didn't experiment with a more acoustic guitar sound. ????you mean an acoustic guitar that sounds more like an "acoustic guitar",Gary, Kerry and Ray are playing Acoustic guitar on the recordOn the other hand perhaps the slightly distorted guitar was instead an effort to marry the old and the new into one song. I would give them this benefit of the doubt if only it weren't for those silly liner notes...very analytic, indeed ![]() A Cry for Everyone is the first instance of text that is hard to make out – the balance is a little off on this track, with the instruments a little louder than the singer. The strongest part of this tune is the call-and-answer musical interludes where again we are treated to clever stereo effects. While there is a lot of rhythmic diversity, I felt that a bit more fooling around with unexpectable rhythms would have been appropriate. ![]() Many composers experimenting with new sounds on synthesizers fall into the trap of thinking that the sound is interesting enough in itself to center the piece around. Not so with Gentle Giant, who weaves their electroacoustic experiments into working musical lines, and provides enough variety of sounds that we can appreciate them in contrast to one another. Knots is described by the notes as "something of a musical jigsaw." It works! Little segments of music and text repeated over and over again create a kaleidoscope of different events, highly distinguishable by their rhythms, different instruments and ranges. What is especially neat is that this jigsaw puzzle idea not only involves the tiny little segments, but the sections of the piece. In fact the very same music from the little contrasting bits are expanded to become sections in their own right: the xylophone that punctuates the opening finally takes off for a solo that moves back and forth through the speakers, while the longer lines become large intense blocks. These sections are most often marked by striking changes of time and rhythm, echoing a little the jazz "half-time" idiom used by artists like Dave Brubeck not long before.jazz uses "floating rhythms" not bound to bar lines unlike the polyrhythmic approach of GG, which is defenetily not comparable to "artists like Dave Brubeck". Knots shows also that Gentle Giant is willing to play around with dynamics more than other bands – the extreme quietness and loudness serve to provide even more musical interest. I only wish they would have done more in their other pieces. Normally I like instrumental tracks a lot, and even skip over the vocals to get to them, but The Boys in the Band, the only instrumental number here, unfortunately disappoints. The rapidly changing characters of the piece don't really compare to Knots, and the solos border on cheesy. very analytic, indeed ![]() Dog's Life, on the other hand, revels in its own musical simplicity – a very poetic link to the lyrics. The instrumentation here is very appropriate: the extremely out-of-tune regal (like a cross between bagpipes and organ) also has semantic value: the dog doesn't care for little flaws, and why should we? The xylophone and regal in the middle is very creative, but again the strings sound a little bit too much like hired extras who normally play in some second-class orchestra somewhere. ever heard of multitracking ?While the music enjoys its simplicity, its no reason not to have a little bit of soul. My favorite track on Octopus is Think of me with Kindness, though perhaps I am biased since I've heard its beautiful tune so many times before as the later Star Trek: Voyager opening theme music.???? Again, this pieces loves simplicity (as it redundantly points out in its notes!) The singing is honest, with not a lot of technique (he runs out of breath in places), but a lot of sincerity and overall good musicianship.a great thank you in behalf of the band members ![]() As a trombone player, I can only laud the trombone solo half-way through, trombone solo, though I would have kept the energy down a little to keep the beautiful simplicity that opens the work. For the first time on this CD, we have an effective ending,a great thank you in behalf of the band members ![]() with the words "Think of me" echoing past an unfinished musical phrase. River came across as more of a collage than a piece of music, a lot of experimentation in electronic sounds, the most interesting of which was the flanging "wind" noises that moved from speaker to speaker creating the illusion of space. The music for the lyrics is extremely drab in contrast to the poetry, however, and the purely instrumental section falls back into standard-issue rock now and again with a not-varied-enough drumbeat and drum and guitar solos that are not particularly special. The ensemble lacks a little bit between the guitars on occasion, bits of feedback left in distract from the more purposeful electroacoustics, and everything has a veil of distortion that, while looking into the future, reminds us how bleak the music of the 80s really was! While the quality shifts from track to track, overall Octopus makes for an excellent listen, one step up from the 1971 album Acquiring the taste, which also experiments with electroacoustics, simultaneous musical events, and interesting orchestrations, but to less of a degree. I sometimes feel that Octopus' tracks would be better served as miniatures – breaking into something a little more upbeat/standard-issue in the middle of most pieces risk taking away from the uniqueness of each work. Overall, however, Gentle Giant excels at never losing our interest by providing constant variety of sounds, effects, lyric style, texture and dynamics both within and between pieces. But do ditch some of the liner notes – they take what was clever and make it redundant... Catherine Motuz M.Mus (McGill) Vibrationbaby thank you so much for pointing out your wife's...ANALYTICAL REVIEW.For me there's is a big difference between showing of and intelligence. I might prefer to remain a basic idiot.
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Alucard ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 10 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 3888 |
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You basic idiot! |
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Velvetclown ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 8548 |
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Idiot ? fine, but Basic ???
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Alucard ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 10 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 3888 |
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John Gargo ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: January 26 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 450 |
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Oh my god, this thread is genius!!! |
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James Lee ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 05 2004 Status: Offline Points: 3525 |
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nobody likes a smart-ass...but the spelling in the thread title is ironic. Maybe it was on purpose? anyway, I agree. But nothing good lasts forever. The glory days (I only caught the tail end of them when I joined) are pretty much past, now we must look to the future and do what we can to preserve what we value. My question: did the site go downhill before or after the Mariah thread was moved? |
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Alucard ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 10 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 3888 |
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Before or after..that is the question.. |
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arkitek ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 31 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 289 |
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hahahahahaha now he looks like a basic idiot!
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Hey! You saying there's something wrong is stupid people?! *is offended* I'll see you at the nearest pub, sunset... I'll bring the Rocky movie soundtrack, you just bring yourself. *goes andfinds some steps to run up and down in prepration* |
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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Alucard wrote:
I was trying to write something similar, but I'm only a basic Latin idiot (Well, not so basic) that doesn't speak or write perfect English as basic USA or British idiot so my lack of intelligence mixed with my bad use of a foreign language (Don't ask me to learn perfect English because I'm an idiot) doesn't allow me to choose the perfect words. But my silly and useless point of view is that this good technical review may be useful to Orchestra Directors or people who have many years of formal musical education (Something you can't expect in a place full of basic idiots), but the common fan that reads a review doesn't has the slightest idea about "experimental electroacoustic riff-raffs" or the difference between 4/4 and the jarring 11/8. The common reader (probably also an idiot), wants to know if he should expend his 10 or 20 bucks in an album (Big amount of money for any idiot who earns a small salary in their simple works) or if the band sounds like Yes or ELP, who are their main influences and if the reviewer likes the album. but nothing of this is said in the review. I find this review good for a musical expert and ideal to impress your Contemporary Music teacher, very technical, well elaborated from that perspective, but lack of soul, for most of us is enough that the lyrics and the music must say something or move us, despite if it's written in 4/4 or the jarring 11/4. Iván BTW: What in hell does jarring means? ![]()
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Velvetclown ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 8548 |
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James : AFTER !
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James Lee ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 05 2004 Status: Offline Points: 3525 |
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I thought you might say that. |
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Alucard ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 10 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 3888 |
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Iván, I am not quiet sure that Orchestral directors understand experimental electroacoustic riff-raffs" or the difference between 4/4 and the jarring 11/8 either. |
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James Lee ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 05 2004 Status: Offline Points: 3525 |
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Evidence the site is NOT getting too stupid: for the first time in many months, Peter's name is howing up multiple times on the recent posts of the main page. Is the slumbering giant awakening, preparing a grammatically-correct post onslaught unseen since, oh, early 2004? I for one, welcome it...but I also dread the inevitable backlash and withdrawl. |
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dude ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 30 2004 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 1338 |
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YOU MEAN TO SAY PETER IS REALLY A SLUMBERING GIANT ?..OH NO!!! THIS ENORMOUS MAN WILL DEVOUR US ALL!!!!. GET THE ARMY, OR THE NAVY!!!! NUKE HIM,GET CLINT EASTWOOD BUT SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING!!! IF ANYONE NEEDS ME I WILL BE COWERING IN AN UNDERGROUND BUNKER
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
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Peter ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 31 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9669 |
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
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