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Reed Lover
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 12:28 |
come on now children let's leave this -please! 
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Fragile
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 12:30 |
JrKASperov wrote:
ivan_2068 wrote:
the man who I believe is the direct representative of God on Earth. |
Didn't we show this is a lie, and in continuing to spread this he is working against God?  |
What would you know about anything to do with practising your faith.and who are We?What is apparent on here is that there is alot of non Catholics even Christians for Christians do not behave in this fashion when a man of this great stature is being spoke of in such a disgraceful fashion.The Catholic faith spans the centuries through rights and wrongs and is the Christian Faith whether some of you on here like it or not.But some of the comments from the usual suspects need pitied but they are not what I would have expected when this remarkable man is so close to death.You should hang your heads in shame.
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threefates
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 12:30 |
I'm not Catholic, nor do I believe in his position... However, regardless of this man's position or religious background... he is still a good man who deserves some respect in his last hours.
I find most of the negative comments here more cold and frightening than the Catholic Church... Some of you have shown less regard for human dignity than any religious leader... 
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THIS IS ELP
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goose
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 12:31 |
It's sad for him to pass away, but no more to me than anybody else I don't know; he has had absolutely no direct effect on my life (apart from in the news these past few weeks, and probably some speeches sent hundreds of miles and through a translator). I mean no disrespect, but if he gets to enter the kingdom of God when he dies, what's the big deal?
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gdub411
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 12:49 |
Fragile wrote:
gdub411 wrote:
So, did the old bugger kick it yet? |
Your'e a constant source of human compassion.The respect the likes of you are showing is evident on here and should bre remembered for future times .Although I rarely respond to any input you have you clearly show that you are simply an ignorant American.
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and you're just an irrevelant European...perhaps.. if we're lucky...the next pope won't hail from Europe.
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Fragile
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 12:53 |
[QUOTE=Lucifer Sam]It's a pity that millions of people praise a vegetable. 
Yet another knucklehead!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Fragile
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 12:55 |
threefates wrote:
I'm not Catholic, nor do I believe in his position... However, regardless of this man's position or religious background... he is still a good man who deserves some respect in his last hours.
I find most of the negative comments here more cold and frightening than the Catholic Church... Some of you have shown less regard for human dignity than any religious leader...  |
You put that so well 3 Fates.No one asked for anyone to show anything other than basic decent respect.
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Fragile
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 12:57 |
gdub411 wrote:
Fragile wrote:
[QUOTE=gdub411]So, did the old bugger kick it yet? |
Your'e a constant source of human compassion.The respect the likes of you are showing is evident on here and should bre remembered for future times .Although I rarely respond to any input you have you clearly show that you are simply an ignorant American.
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and you're just an irrevelant European...perhaps.. if we're lucky...the next pope won't hail from Europe.
Perhaps, but one who knows when to show respect.
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gdub411
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 13:14 |
Well I had my fun. The jig is up...I am as much of a christian as anyone on this site. While I am not catholic, I hold no animosity toward the pope or any future popes for that matter.
My humour may be tasteless and sick but I offer no apologies. I just like to incite you guys once in a while.
I still love prog so that doesn't make me a troll...perhaps a big prick, but not a troll.
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Velvetclown
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 13:17 |
Go down the Pub Fragile and get blotto as you always do, respect just because you believe in Santa  NO WAY !!!!!!! YouŽre just as brainwashed as the rest .
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gdub411
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 13:19 |
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Velvetclown
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 13:20 |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 14:21 |
Don't continue Fragile, you're wasting your time.
I learned to know people for the respect they show for the beliefs or disbeliefs of the rest of the mankind.
I don't believe in Budah, but I would show respect for the Dalai Lama if he was dying and would recognize his merits.
Only small people can attack a man who has done no harm but fought for peace in the world during the last 26 years, and cowards who attack other peoples beliefs don't deserve ananswer.
Iván
PS: Thanks Threefates for your intelligent and sensitive post.
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Fragile
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 14:41 |
gdub411 wrote:
Well I had my fun. The jig is up...I am as much of a christian as anyone on this site. While I am not catholic, I hold no animosity toward the pope or any future popes for that matter.
My humour may be tasteless and sick but I offer no apologies. I just like to incite you guys once in a while.
I still love prog so that doesn't make me a troll...perhaps a big prick, but not a troll. |
Right Gdub it doesn't make you a troll but it's not too much to ask for some common decency from fellow proggers even if We don't agree on certain issues.You might just be right about that phallic thing
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maani
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 14:55 |
Reed Lover, Gdub, Emdiar, Pixel Pirate, Garion, Velvetclown, Felixx, Lucifer Sam:
What I find interesting about your general lack of compassion is this.
Let us say that someone you cared about was dying. Not a family member or friend, but someone well-known for whom you had great, or even just admiring, respect. Let us then suppose that Fragile, JsKASperov, myself et al - i.e., the "believers" on the site - made the types of comments about that person that you are making about the Pope. My guess is that you might be bothered by this. Alternatively, you might even say that it would not bother you because everyone is entitled to their opinion.
The difference here is that the above would never happen; i.e., Fragile, JrKASperov, myself et al would never make such comments, no matter what we personally thought about that person. Why? Because believers have compassion for everyone - not just for those whom they like, respect, admire, revere, etc. And no, it is not simply our "respect for life" per se; i.e., that life is precious (which it is). It is our compassion for the individual, no matter what walk of life they come from, no matter what position they hold, no matter what they have done or not done in their lives.
No one is suggesting that you all of sudden change your personal view of the Pope or the papacy or Christianity or God or religion or faith. However, I know plenty of non-believers - some even more radically anti-faith than you are - who nevertheless have the common decency and respect to refrain from expressing their personal views when others are hurting or in mourning. That you are all unable or unwilling to do so - and, indeed, that some of you feel the need to actually deliberately "bait" the believers here - is enormously saddening, and does not exactly reflect well upon your characters, even as non-believers.
Peace.
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Reed Lover
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 14:59 |
Ok
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Reed Lover
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 15:05 |
maani wrote:
Reed Lover, Gdub, Emdiar, Pixel Pirate, Garion, Velvetclown, Felixx, Lucifer Sam:
What I find interesting about your general lack of compassion is this.
Let us say that someone you cared about was dying. Not a family member or friend, but someone well-known for whom you had great, or even just admiring, respect. Let us then suppose that Fragile, JsKASperov, myself et al - i.e., the "believers" on the site - made the types of comments about that person that you are making about the Pope. My guess is that you might be bothered by this. Alternatively, you might even say that it would not bother you because everyone is entitled to their opinion.
The difference here is that the above would never happen; i.e., Fragile, JrKASperov, myself et al would never make such comments, no matter what we personally thought about that person. Why? Because believers have compassion for everyone - not just for those whom they like, respect, admire, revere, etc. And no, it is not simply our "respect for life" per se; i.e., that life is precious (which it is). It is our compassion for the individual, no matter what walk of life they come from, no matter what position they hold, no matter what they have done or not done in their lives.
No one is suggesting that you all of sudden change your personal view of the Pope or the papacy or Christianity or God or religion or faith. However, I know plenty of non-believers - some even more radically anti-faith than you are - who nevertheless have the common decency and respect to refrain from expressing their personal views when others are hurting or in mourning. That you are all unable or unwilling to do so - and, indeed, that some of you feel the need to actually deliberately "bait" the believers here - is enormously saddening, and does not exactly reflect well upon your characters, even as non-believers.
Peace.
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Maani:
Whilst I was an instigator of the Anti-Pope sentiments,leaping in with my usual thoughtless abandon,and then trying to extricate myself as quickly-you are not truly blameless in this. Hindsights a wonderful thing,but I feel that your anti-papist dig was innapropriate too,and therefore it is a tad rich to play the peacemaker.I know for a fact that you too caused offence and naming names like this does you no credit.
Should have closed this thread when I asked you to
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Velvetclown
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 15:13 |
Well I donŽt really care, but if I see the word RESPECT one more time IŽll vomit !!!!!! 
Those Child molesting priests should have shown COMPASSION to those poor kids which lives they have ruined.
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Reed Lover
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 15:15 |
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Manunkind
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 15:25 |
Velvetclown wrote:
Well I donŽt really care, but if I see the word RESPECT one more time IŽll vomit !!!!!!  Those Child molesting priests should have shown COMPASSION to those poor kids which lives they have ruined. 
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Where does the Pope come in?
The Pope was quick to condemn priests who molested children and a paedophile is a paedophile, celibacy or no celibacy.
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"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
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