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Easy Livin 
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 Posted: April 02 2005 at 05:11 |
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There's a time and a place Manukind, this thread isn't it!
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Manunkind
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 05:14 |
 Easy Livin wrote:
There's a time and a place Manukind, this thread isn't it! |
You're right, but I'm certain the joking's over and done with.
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"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
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Captain Fudge
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 07:06 |
God's name be blessed, The Pope is struggling and he might even make it.
I'm not a cathloic, I'm orthodox, but I have a deep respect for him.
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Teenage sucks hard -- Emo sucks even harder
Epic. Simply epic.
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lucas
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 08:06 |
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Many respect is due to the Pope. He indeed managed to reconciliate Jews and Catholics, and was the first Pope to have given a different image of the papacy by organising the Global days of youth (I don't know how it is in english, I translated it litterally from french) and traveling towards countries where no pope before him dared to go. I am a catholic, but didn't pratice my religion for a while. My brother helped me recently find back my faith in God by inviting me to follow the pilgrimage to Chartres. It was really an exciting experience, as I discovered another face of Church from what i knew till this day, with young people coming from various horizons and proud of their faith and wanting to share their views on religion, and also open to all discussions. The procession was ponctuated with stops during which small groups formed and talked on topics dealing with the place of religion in our life. All the people I met during the W-E this pilgrimage took place were so happy and singing all along the way that it made me want to come back to church and take part to prayer gatherings during which we sing and we pray. I am planning to go to the Global days of youth (once more, I am sorry if it is not the true equivalent of the 'Journées mondiales de la jeunesse' but I am sure you know what I am talking about) and pray and discuss with young people from all around the world, and especially Poles, as I know they are always numerous during this kind of meetings (that was the case during the pilgrimage of Chartres). Coming back to the main discussion, the announcement of the pope's soon-to-come death made me weep (really !) and I spontaneously jumped to a train towards Paris to go to the Notre-Dame cathedral, where I knew people gathered to pray one last time for the Pope. The Pope was a great man, the popularity he gained and the written works he left are a piece of evidence of it. God bless his soul and may his follower pursue the effort of evangelization John Paul II initiated.
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Velvetclown
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 08:13 |
Who gives a crap 
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felixxx
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 09:33 |
you should pray for the thousands of kids who die of hunger and diseases every day in poor countries 
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 10:21 |
I'm really amazed, always seen in this forum a great deal of respect for religious beliefs, but I'm really ashamed to read how some people here use a time of real pain and sadness for people like me to offend one of the greatest men in history, he started the change of the Catholic Church, cleaned the name of Copernicus and even Pontius Pilates (He said he was a victim of the circumstances). Asked forgiveness and accepted some guilts of the Church, he helpéd to end the Cold War and was determinant in the fall of Berlin Wall,
He even went to jail to forgive Mohamed Ali Agca after he was shot by this man,
But some people here use this moment to insult the Catholic Church and a good and brave man, that suffered his long illness WORKING until the last of his days insteadof taking the easy way out and quyitting as many asked him.
In this forum and during all my life I showed the same respect for every religious belief or disbelief, that's why I demand the same respect for my Religion and for the man who I believe is the direct representative of God on Earth.
Don't blame him for the prohibition of Condom use or the spread of AIDS, not even him canchange dogmas that been part of the Church for centuries, even Catholics like myself use condoms, only fanatics accept this dogma, and this guys won't commit forrnication.
Sorry if I'm not 100% coherent in this matter, but I feel a great sadness and a deep pain for the beginning of the death of a man who is according to my religious beliefs but most important to my real feelings, a part of my family.
I'm really sad and honest enough to accept I've been crying this probablńe loss for makind.
Iván
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lucas
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 10:28 |
felixxx wrote:
you should pray for the thousands of kids who die of hunger and diseases every day in poor countries |
I hear a typical communist speech. No one deserves more prayer than another : a prayer can be given to everyone who is in pain, and here the topic is about the suffering pope. If you want to launch a topic about the poor kids you have the right to do it, but don't question the prayers towards the pope. And remember that the Catholic church does a lot for people in need (the late mother Teresa in India, abbé Pierre and the Secours catholique in France come to mind but there are many other priests and missionaries who devote themselves to poor people), thanks to the missions sent to Africa and countries of South America among other countries that aim at giving poor kids an education and helping people in need. How do you account for the fact that 8 inhabitants out of ten in South America and a growing number of Africans (many of them being the poor people you are refering to) are catholic ? All these people have a lot of admiration for the pope.
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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lucas
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 10:31 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
I'm really amazed, always seen in this forum a great deal of respect for religious beliefs, but I'm really ashamed to read how some people here use a time of real pain and sadness for people like me to offend one of the greatest men in history, he started the change of the Catholic Church, cleaned the name of Copernicus and even Pontius Pilates (He said he was a victim of the circumstances). Asked forgiveness and accepted some guilts of the Church, he helpéd to end the Cold War and was determinant in the fall of Berlin Wall,
He even went to jail to forgive Mohamed Ali Agca after he was shot by this man,
But some people here use this moment to insult the Catholic Church and a good and brave man, that suffered his long illness WORKING until the last of his days insteadof taking the easy way out and quyitting as many asked him.
In this forum and during all my life I showed the same respect for every religious belief or disbelief, that's why I demand the same respect for my Religion and for the man who I believe is the direct representative of God on Earth.
Don't blame him for the prohibition of Condom use or the spread of AIDS, not even him canchange dogmas that been part of the Church for centuries, even Catholics like myself use condoms, only fanatics accept this dogma, and this guys won't commit forrnication.
Sorry if I'm not 100% coherent in this matter, but I feel a great sadness and a deep pain for the beginning of the death of a man who is according to my religious beliefs but most important to my real feelings, a part of my family.
I'm really sad and honest enough to accept I've been crying this probablńe loss for makind.
Iván
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Great post, Ivan.
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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felixxx
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 10:40 |
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Yes of course, but dont forget how many natives were slaughtered in all
these countries you just mentioned in the name of the catholic church,
and how many natives were forced to abandon their religion and become
christians.
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Velvetclown
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 10:43 |
And how many kids are being sexually molested by these so called priests
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 10:48 |
| Yes of course, but dont forget how many natives were slaughtered in all these countries you just mentioned in the name of the catholic church |
There will always be excuses to atack Catholic Church, but remember John Paul II has been Pope for 26 years not for 2 centuries, he's not resposnsible for the mistakes of the Church, mistakes for which he asked public excuses.
And why blame the Catholic Church, blame the Countries who have/had colonies in Africa and lived of the work of the netives, blame the slaves hunters who took them to other countries, but don't blame the Catholic Church that gave this men the only thing they could give, faith and help whenever it was possible.
Iván
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Velvetclown
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 10:55 |
Mistakes yeah that´s for sure !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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felixxx
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 11:20 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
| Yes of course, but dont forget how many
natives were slaughtered in all these countries you just mentioned in
the name of the catholic church |
There will always be excuses to atack Catholic Church, but remember
John Paul II has been Pope for 26 years not for 2 centuries, he's not
resposnsible for the mistakes of the Church, mistakes for which he asked public excuses.
And why blame the Catholic Church, blame the Countries
who have/had colonies in Africa and lived of the work of the
netives, blame the slaves hunters who took them to other countries, but
don't blame the Catholic Church that gave this men the only thing they
could give, faith and help whenever it was possible.
Iván |
Look Ivan, i didn't want to offend you and your beliefs and i am sorry
if i did, i dont have something personal with your religion, i
dont like all religions, i believe in other thinks, in nature for
example or in justice! AND I AM NOT A COMMUNIST!
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 11:22 |
Never said you were a communist Faelixx
Iván
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felixxx
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 11:25 |
Not you, lucas said that! 
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gdub411
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 12:05 |
So, did the old bugger kick it yet? 
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JrKASperov
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 12:06 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
the man who I believe is the direct representative of God on Earth. |
Didn't we show this is a lie, and in continuing to spread this he is working against God? 
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Epic.
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Fragile
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 12:22 |
gdub411 wrote:
So, did the old bugger kick it yet? |
Your'e a constant source of human compassion.The respect the likes of you are showing is evident on here and should bre remembered for future times .Although I rarely respond to any input you have you clearly show that you are simply an ignorant American.
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Lucifer Sam
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Posted: April 02 2005 at 12:24 |
It's a pity that millions of people praise a vegetable.
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Hello, is there anybody in there?
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