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BiGi 
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Posted: September 01 2005 at 09:58 |
I am about to go upstream...
One thing I must say is that to me there are so many differences between these two great groups that I can't restrict it to a X beats Y or viceversa.
Any comparison is unfair...they developed their OUTSTANDING ideas in different ways!
That said, I'm gonna get bashed, since these are my preferences:
 Zitro wrote:
Of course, the two bands for many are very similar in musical quality and style, so it is a good idea to compare which is best in specific areas :
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Steve Hackett (techinque: = but styles differ too much)(emotion: >>) Steve Howe
Phil Collins (T: >)(E: >) Alan White
Phil Collins (T: <<)(E: >>>) Bill Bruford
Mike Rutherford (T: <<)(E: <<) Chris Squire
Peter Gabriel (T: <)(E: >>> but once again styles differ too much) Jon Anderson
Tony Banks (T: <<)(E: >>> Wakeman tends to sound "plastic" too many times) Rick Wakeman
Albums
From Genesis to Revelation <<< Yes
Tresspass > Time and a Word
Nursery Crime >>> The Yes Album
Foxtrot = Fragile
Selling England By the Pound << Close To The Edge
Genesis Live <<< (BAAAAD recording) Yessongs
Lamb Lies Down on Broadway > (though both heavy to digest) Tales of topographic oceans
Trick of the tail >>>>>> Relayer and everything else
Wind and Wuthering >>> Going for the one
And then there were three = Tormato
Duke << Drama
Genesis < 90125
Acabab > Big Generator
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Genesis >>> Yes
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Genesis are my second favourite band of all times (after The Beatles)...I DO like Yes a great deal, but they disappoint me more frequently than Genesis...
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Gianthogweed
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Posted: September 01 2005 at 09:33 |
Rutherford is one of the best bassists ever. But Chris Squire had a much bigger impact on the music than Rutherford did. You could say he was the backbone of the band, and the bass was the basis for most of Yes's best songs. The rest of the band just road those bass lines.
When I think Genesis though, the first thing that comes to mind is the keyboards. Particularly the organ and mellotron. Banks was the driving force behind the band just as Squire was the driving force for Yes. Rutherford's melodic phrasing, however, is better than Squire's, but he was not the driving force. That's why Squire wins.
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Posted: September 01 2005 at 06:19 |
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definitely Genesis win... i like some Yes stuff but most from late 70s and early 80s. and Genesis recorded really good albums when Peter Gabriel was the singer. my fav is Lamb Lies Down On Broadway it's something that Yes never recorded.
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moncholo
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Posted: August 31 2005 at 20:56 |
genesis is way better in every single aspect for me... and i like Yes
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Evan1211
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Posted: August 31 2005 at 20:28 |
Evan1211 wrote:
I am very dissapointed at the lack of support for Mike Rutherford here! Just because he is not loud and crunchy and somewhat lower in the mix doesnt mean anything. His playing is theoretically (music theory wise that is) equal to or HARDER than Chris'. I play bass and find Rutherford's "Visions of Angels" equally as hard to play CORRECTLY as Chris' Heart of the Sunrise. People seem to hate the man's playing for some odd reason and its a trend I've noticed for some time now. Im sorry, but as a player, they are equally as challenging and creative on bass.  Overall though, Yes is a TAD better than Genesis. |
Anyone care to give me an idea about this blatent Rutherfordian  bashing amongst us?
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Zooka_Jesus
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Posted: August 31 2005 at 16:19 |
Members
Steve Hackett <<<< Steve Howe
Phil Collins > Alan White
Edit : Phil Collins < Bill Bruford (if you wish)
Mike Rutherford <<<<<<<<<<< <<<<<<<<< Chris Squire
Peter Gabriel <<< Jon Anderson
Tony Banks <<<<<<<<<<< Rick Wakeman
Albums
From Genesis to REvelations < Yes
Tresspass > Time and a Word
Nursery Crime <<<<< The Yes Album
Foxtrot <<<<<<<<<<<< ;<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ;<<<<<<<<<<<<, Fragile
Selling England By the Pound <<<<<<<<<<<<& lt;<<<<<<<<<<<<<<& lt;<<<<<<<<<<<<<<& lt;<<<<<<<<<<<<<<& lt;<<<<<, Close To The Edge
Genesis Live <<<<<<<<<<< Yessongs
Lamb Lies Down on Broadway > Tales of topographic oceans
Trick of the tail <<<<<<<<<<<<&l t;< Relayer
Wind and Wuthering > Going for the one
And then there were three > Tormato
Duke >>>> Drama
Genesis >>>>>>>> 90125
Acabab < Big Generator
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Genesis <<<<<<<< Yes
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GatesOfDelirium
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Posted: August 31 2005 at 16:09 |
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I can't choose.
But I will say that Trespass slightly edges out The Yes Album for one reason and one reason only: The Knife.
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samhob
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Posted: August 31 2005 at 16:04 |
yeah.... i dont like genesis ... ( though i hear several times their albums) i really dont like it...
But I Love yes ...
these two bands only share the same music genre label for me
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krauthead
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Posted: August 31 2005 at 13:13 |
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Any "classic" album by Yes beat any "classic" album by Genesis IMO
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*Dancing madly backwards on a sea of air* - Captain Beyond
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DarHobo
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Posted: August 31 2005 at 12:43 |
Well, I was reading another forum where a "fan" of Genesis was saying how much better they are then YES. He said something along the lines of "How can you even compare the musicians of Genesis to YES, I can name all of the musicians from Genesis off the top of my head. Do you think you can do that with YES, NO! All that comes to mind is Chris Squire." Now as I was reading this I was just laughing. And then he goes onto to say "Besides Genesis had way more hits than YES,(Then he names all of the lame 80's Genesis pop songs that were hits.) And said do you think YES can do that?
Oh yeah. YES>Genesis
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Syntharachnid
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Posted: August 31 2005 at 00:25 |
Parker wrote:
Peter brings much more emotin and meaning than Jon. Just think if Peter did " I get up I get down" |
It would suck.  Sorry, but those two (although equally brilliant) aren't interchangeable. Peter should dare not trespass (no pun intended) on Yes territory, and vice versa.
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Evan1211
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Posted: August 30 2005 at 23:02 |
I am very dissapointed at the lack of support for Mike Rutherford here! Just because he is not loud and crunchy and somewhat lower in the mix doesnt mean anything. His playing is theoretically (music theory wise that is) equal to or HARDER than Chris'. I play bass and find Rutherford's "Visions of Angels" equally as hard to play CORRECTLY as Chris' Heart of the Sunrise. People seem to hate the man's playing for some odd reason and its a trend I've noticed for some time now. Im sorry, but as a player, they are equally as challenging and creative on bass. Overall though, Yes is a TAD better than Genesis.
Edited by Evan1211
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Gorloche
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Posted: August 30 2005 at 21:04 |
Members
Steve Hackett << Steve Howe (Hackett plays his guitars with no attack)
Phil Collins > Alan White (Phil really is a great drummer...)
Phil Collins <<< Bill Bruford (...but Bruford is one of the people I model my playing after)
Mike Rutherford << Chris Squire (All I have to say is The Fish)
Peter Gabriel < Jon Anderson (I prefer Jon because of his range and writing; I love heady, intellectual topics)
Tony Banks <<< Rick Wakeman (All bow before the Lord, our God... Rick Wakeman)
Albums
From Genesis to REvelations vs Yes (Haven't heard FGtR)
Tresspass vs Time and a Word (Haven't heard TaaW)
Nursery Crime << The Yes Album (Starship Trooper and Perpetual Change, people)
Foxtrot > Fragile (Not because the songs are better, but simply
because there are more group works, though I love both dearly)
Selling England By the Pound << Close To The Edge (Perfect all the way through)
Genesis Live <<< Yessongs (My favorite album)
Lamb Lies Down on Broadway (> for composition)(< for writing) Tales of topographic oceans
Trick of the tail <<< Relayer (The Gates of Delerium is better than any single thing Genesis ahs done)
Wind and Wuthering >> Going for the one (I hate GftO)
And then there were three > Tormato (Ditto; as in, my hate for GftO is so great, I also ahte Tormato)
Duke << Drama (Drama was great, Duke was sh*te)
Genesis < 90125 (I hate sellout-era Genesis...)
Acabab >>> Big Generator (...but Big Generator might actually be the worst thing ever)
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Genesis < Yes
The reason why people like Genesis is because their music is like a
puzzle. Everything has its place, fits, and makes the whole picture
look great. I like Yes for the opposite reason; clashing,
over-dramatic, pretentious w**kery on instruments to abstract Romantic
poetry about the land and ideas. The slashing of Howe, the stabbing of
Squire, the rapid-fire cuts of Wakeman, and the kind of tumbling, fiery
feeling of Bruford/White underneath the serene singing of Jon with a
voice reaching everywhere at once, building tension in you without
changing his singing style. Gabriel tries for tension through his
singing and succeeds. Jon does it through accentuation and pitch.
Whereas Genesis is a puzzle, Yes is a blooming flower on the field of
war. I still can't listen to Close to the Edge without getting the
feeling that the music is telling about a war (and yes, I don't mean
The Gates of Delerium). That, and I like the heady, abstract lyrics
that you actually understand less if you try to conciously figure them
out. As Jon once said:
"Straight light moving and removing sharpness of the color sunshine.
Straight light searching all the meanings of the song long last
treatment that relates to all the word sung. Dreamer easy in the chair
that really fits you."
I love 'em.
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Shaman
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Posted: August 30 2005 at 20:46 |
Strawberry flavor vs chocolate flavor, I prefer chocolate thanks.
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rushaholic
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Posted: August 30 2005 at 19:08 |
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Seems like we have seen these comparisons before. As for me, I
think both are great but can hardly be compared very well. Their
styles are just too different IMO. They did, however, follow a
similar path from being great prog bands to great pop bands. Too
bad they couldn't just keep making the same great stuff that made them
great to begin with.
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gok22us
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Posted: August 30 2005 at 18:29 |
i like Yes more, but i cannot bring myself to say they're better than Genesis, or that genesis is worse.
I can however say that in my opinion, Yes has much more good material. After the 70's, Yes have still done some solid stuff (Magnification, Keystudio, The Ladder) Genesis for me, stops after steve hacket left the band.
Yes is still making good music. Genesis aren't. so from a consistancy or a "how long they have lasted and can still write" standpoint, Yes win.
unless, you dont like Yes' newer albums, then, i guess its a tie.
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terrapin
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Posted: August 30 2005 at 01:06 |
 I don't know the purpose or find any sense to comparisons between bands, we're not talking about soccer teams, I consider music an ART, so I just enjoy listening to it. If I like this album or the other should be a very private & intimate matter, it sounds so snob when I hear people arguing about different bands. There, that's my humble opinion...
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Yanns
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Posted: August 29 2005 at 23:40 |
I wanna play!
Steve Hackett < Steve Howe
Alan White < or = Phil Collins < Bill Bruford
Mike Rutherford < Chris Squire
Peter Gabriel < Jon Anderson (But only by a little bit)
Tony Banks < Rick Wakeman
Nursery Cryme < The Yes Album
Foxtrot > Fragile
Selling England By The Pound < CTTE
The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway = TFTO
ATOTT < Relayer
W&W < GFTO
Hmm, favored Yes a lot more. Oh well. Still love Genesis.
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James Hill
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Posted: August 29 2005 at 23:10 |
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In both bands prime they played as good as music played in the history of rock music.I think Genesis had better vocals and lyrics but from a musicianship standpoint Yes cant be matched.I hated the pop music played by both bands.
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symphonic james
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assg
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Posted: August 29 2005 at 22:46 |
From Genesis to REvelations vs Yes
Tresspass vs Time and a Word
Nursery Crime vs The Yes Album
Foxtrot vs Fragile
Selling England By the Pound vs Close To The Edge
Genesis Live vs Yessongs
Lamb Lies Down on Broadway vs Tales of topographic oceans
Trick By the tail vs Relayer
Wind and Wuthering vs Going for the one
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