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Hrychu
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 03 2013 Location: poland? Status: Online Points: 5356 |
Topic: PA Songwriters'/Composers' Association Posted: October 16 2016 at 04:07 |
Mmm.. spacey! I wonder how it would sound with the full arrangement. Also... the instrument's intonation's not very good. Have you considered having your guitar set up?
But anyway... I made a track inspired by 70s prog today. here I tried to make the drums sound lo fi yet still a bit modern. The same for guitars. What do you think of this? |
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EddieRUKiddingVarese
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 04 2016 Location: Aust Status: Offline Points: 1802 |
Posted: September 18 2016 at 16:25 |
one of my guitar pieces which is a bit different- maybe even a bit Zappish (hopefully file size wont be to big), as I recorded using the Fender Strat but sounds more like keyboards. Used effects pedal (of course), then thru an old Teac 3 head tape deck, then onto a harddisk video recorder(bloody 100Mb file), then finally I converted to MP3- then to an Avi file = Must be an easier way Is what I call low cost(No Cost) Home studio recording... and no I didn't get electrocuted!
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uduwudu
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 17 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2601 |
Posted: September 18 2016 at 16:14 |
So John Cages "Silence" was the single off the album. This is the album (with collaborators, silent partners if you will), at long last. Can't wait for the 2 CD version. Y'know, with the live versions. |
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Dayvenkirq
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 25 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 10970 |
Posted: August 20 2016 at 10:22 |
Given that I am currently under a dry spell, here's a crazy idea: What do you think of a piece of music that lasts for 55 minutes and consists of no sound at all? Absolute silence. The idea is not to annoy the listener but rather to understand the listener's impression of it, how the listener interprets the complete absence of sound, for the author to come in contact with another person, with the rest of the world.
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DDPascalDD
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 06 2015 Location: The Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 856 |
Posted: August 10 2016 at 14:52 |
Thanks, here are the lyrics:
Wondrous Ever big Eternal energy Surrounded by colourless black Sublime Beautiful blonde Frightening If it comes so near Dangerous Looking scary Overwhelm me When you grow When I recorded the vocals there was a through composed melody which is about the same throughout these 3 verses. But maybe that's more in my head and isn't easy to recognise when you hear it for the first time as a listener. By the way: do you think it's fine for a studio recording or should it be played more neatly? Not sure if the little mistakes can be seen as interesting or annoying. Also I have a certain way of "interpreting" my lyrics and making a melody for it. Read them through carefully and then say them out loud or in your head just how you want to say it (naturally) with its intonation. Then note in your head how the sentence flows and the varying pitch you use to stress certain words and syllables and make a melody with those high and low points, so that the lyrics will suit the melody perfectly. This gives the effect that you can't read the lyrics without singing them in your head which anyone probably has had before. Oh yeah also use notes which aren't played in the accompinent a lot (avoid I and V mostly). Adds colour but is also harder to sing if you haven't got your melody in your click track and it can be harder to define when hearing and harder to remember.
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Dayvenkirq
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 25 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 10970 |
Posted: August 09 2016 at 16:45 |
^ Thanks for the reply.
I wouldn't feel comfortable singing on top of a piano part written in that style and with that kind of piano sound (maybe a bit too much sustain). Also, I don't hear a chorus or a distinctive melody in the song. Some lyrics for the song, pasted into a post, would be nice. But overall, good work. When I want to write a song, I want to make sure that I write words that I can relate to. But there's more to it than that. Here's a scheme: 1) My vocal tone (depends on the register and the shapes of the resonant chambers within my body); 2) Accompaniment (piano or guitar) with a certain style/technique; 3) Style of melody for the lead vocal parts; 4) The theme; the type of the song (a rant, a love song, etc.); the choice of words; the use of 1st, 2nd, 3rd persons; etc. 1-2 |x| 3-4 All four ingredients should work together in a perfect synergy. That's how I want to write. |
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DDPascalDD
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 06 2015 Location: The Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 856 |
Posted: August 09 2016 at 15:38 |
^I could have something which might fit what you want. It's a track with mainly piano in the lead and some vocals in the middle (3 verses) where the piano is just accompaniment. It's got drum and bass added here and there.
Anyway I'm not really sure what you exactly mean with your post, but I understand it should have a lonely feel, vulnerable- I could add the words intimate and melancholy to it with this song. Hope it helps you, here's the link: https://soundcloud.com/pascal-dool/the-sun-ate/s-s3soH FYI: The piano in the first little segment is through-composed and after the repetition with added drum and bass it's mostly improvised around chords (the rest - with exception of the vocals - is also mostly improvised).
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Dayvenkirq
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 25 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 10970 |
Posted: August 09 2016 at 14:59 |
Has anyone in here written a song or even recorded a demo for more than just the voice and the piano/guitar? I've noticed that it's extremely difficult for me to write a song when it's just that: the voice in the lead plus some accompaniment instrument. This kind of chemistry ensures a very lonely feel for every song, and I can't seem to be able to evoke a mood I want without, say, a trumpet or a violin added to the mix (because I like a sense of greater company, and pulling a chorus with just the voice and some other instrument is really hard). I sound vulnerable when just playing and singing. It's quite tempting to use production as the means of letting a song out, though I read in books and on the Web that a singer-songwriter should refrain from the use of production.
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DDPascalDD
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 06 2015 Location: The Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 856 |
Posted: July 28 2016 at 12:46 |
Anyone tried this before?
When I played the Close To The Edge "chorus" on piano I found you can actually play three (or almost four) chords at once. How I play it: Em Dm C(maj7) F#m E/A+2+6/B Close to the edge, down to the ri ver; not right.... About that last chord.... You could break the singing with the lyric "not right away" down to an E major chord/scale (playing an high E chord (possibly with added 2nd or 4th) sounds great). Beneath it is the A major chord. From bottom to top I play it like: A B C# E F#. The bass note is a B. The middle chord is quite expanded and could be divided in A major and Bsus4 which makes it four chords: E/Bsus4/A/B Just that already looks proggy! Now another one I just made for a chord progression is: Bm/Em/D as another example. The only thing which doubts me is if it's just bullsh*t because you make it/write it down much more complex than needed, or it already exists without my knowledge of it. I really want to use it as 3 chords though - in case you thought different -, power chord beneath and the other two chords played by two other instruments.
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Dayvenkirq
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 25 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 10970 |
Posted: June 25 2016 at 06:28 |
I think I can see now why I'm having problems writing vocal melodies. One of these problems is that singing vocal tone I have that I don't like. Can't write for your voice as an instrument if you don't even like its sound. I sound like a mix of Bert Jansch and Peter Hammill (minus the incredible vocal range and the accent). Yes, this should be addressed in this thread of mine but I think it's all connected. I thought I could develop the kind of singing tone that would surprise and satisfy me, but maybe I'm wrong. Can't bring myself to a point where people will say that I have an OK voice or don't have a voice.
Once I develop a singing tone that I like, I will work around this physical limitation/constant and try to blend it with some experimental music or song-like sketches for piano. I might even put up some of my attempts here.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - June 25 2016 at 06:39 |
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Dayvenkirq
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 25 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 10970 |
Posted: June 22 2016 at 02:05 |
^ I guess I will have to try some contrapuntal methods on my boring vocal melodies when I get home from work tomorrow. Thanks.
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Polymorphia
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 06 2012 Location: here Status: Offline Points: 8856 |
Posted: June 22 2016 at 01:33 |
Depends on what project I'm writing for. For Dream/Window, vocal melodies are usually near the end of the process, once I've hammered out all the parts. I just make a recording and sing over it a few times until I find something I like. Other times I just write it along with the chord progression.
Some times a full melody comes to me, sometimes I just hear "homing" notes and fill in the blanks until I find something I like (or rather the "right" melody for the song, depending on how picky I need to be). Sometimes I hear a rhythm and general shape and work with that. Sometimes it's not a melody at all that I hear, but a chant or shout or spoken word portion. It depends really. I used to write melodies on guitar or piano, which helped, but I don't really do that/need to do that anymore. I've gotten to the point where I can think as clearly harmonically and melodically when I sing as when I play guitar and piano. But back when I wrote like that, I always liked centering my melodies around non-chord tones, which is a good exercise because non-chord tones tend to add color. But most melodies I write are subconsciously based on 2-4 note phrases or rhythms or shapes from other songs I've heard, maybe reversed or inverted or manipulated somehow, but they're there. That might be a good place to consciously start too, as I honestly think that's how most melodies are created anyway.
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Dayvenkirq
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 25 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 10970 |
Posted: June 22 2016 at 00:56 |
^ How do you start writing one? Or do you actually start writing a song with a vocal melody? Or does it come to you somewhere in the middle of the process? Does it come in its finished form or do you somehow manage to alter it (but so that it doesn't sound contrived)?
Edited by Dayvenkirq - June 22 2016 at 00:59 |
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Polymorphia
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 06 2012 Location: here Status: Offline Points: 8856 |
Posted: June 21 2016 at 23:31 |
Yep. What about it?
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Dayvenkirq
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 25 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 10970 |
Posted: June 21 2016 at 23:15 |
Anyone here writes vocal melodies?
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DDPascalDD
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 06 2015 Location: The Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 856 |
Posted: June 15 2016 at 03:24 |
Oh no, your words meant a lot! This is enough feedback for now, I'm very grateful , if you'd do a (short) album review on PA you'd be the first, though.
(Btw, as you liked my piano playing, I've just released a piano solo EP, if you're interested)
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Star_Song_Age_Less
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 08 2014 Location: MA Status: Offline Points: 367 |
Posted: June 14 2016 at 22:33 |
^Thanks, didn't think to check the suggestions thread. I tried to use
the search function but it timed out a few times and I gave up. If
you're already in the archives then I should save my blah blah for
review unless you're asking for feedback on something new!
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DDPascalDD
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Posted: June 14 2016 at 05:17 |
^Thank you so much, I'm very glad you liked it! Many of the parts were indeed done with midi, almost all of the piano and guitar solo is recorded.
Rose contains the message of the album actually, that the love on earth is actually very simple. Good to hear you like the singing a bit. I haven't taken voice lessons (yet), although I have learned a thing or two in music class on school. My music was suggested here and I'm already added to these archives!
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Star_Song_Age_Less
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 08 2014 Location: MA Status: Offline Points: 367 |
Posted: June 14 2016 at 00:31 |
Holy smokes, DDPascalDD. Holy. Smokes.
Alright, I obviously realize you are doing this at least partially with midi which does occasionally affect the sound. But other than that - I am sitting here shocked. "On Earth" is pristinely lovely and surprising at many turns. Most folks who dabble in midi and synth (that I have heard) do so with a very heavy hand. Not so, here. There are all sorts of subtle little details and appropriate midi/synth sounds to generate them rather than leads fighting leads. I absolutely loved this piece. I like "Rose" as a song generally but feel that it needs a real acoustic guitar rather than the midi sound. Fake acoustic guitar nearly always sounds weird. I know you said you don't like your singing voice, but I find what you're doing here to be interesting. I wasn't able to understand the lyrics, though. "Not Me" - I liked the beginning but once that off-kilter piano part showed up "like" got upgraded to "love." I am curious, are you playing the part on the keyboard or do you program it in on a staff in the software? I play piano so I do have a tendency to latch on to piano parts. I also feel that "piano" as a separate entity from "keyboard" tends to get a raw deal in the realm of prog (and is underused, and when used is often not used well). Anyway, it is nice to hear something expressively emotive (as opposed to cliche) coming from a piano part in a prog song. I like the transition halfway. I am once again enjoying the overall effect of your mellow singing here. There do seem to be a few parts that are a strain for you to hit the low notes, that's all. There are a few parts later in the album where wavering in your voice is more noticeable. This is usually more an issue of practice than of their being anything intrinsically wrong with someone's voice. Your vocal "chords" are controlled by tiny muscles, and exercising them helps you to hold tone. (I don't mean to harp on your singing here, it's just that you had specifically mentioned this earlier in the thread). I am curious if you have taken voice lessons? Where you finally do lose me on your (very good) album is the bells in the final track. But they don't last long. And then you come in with this beautiful section of sweetness at about 8 minutes. And approaching the very end of the album, you embark on this extremely Nobuo Uematsu-esque journey into the land of video games - I loved that. Do you have a thread in the "unsigned bands" section for this? I poked around but didn't find one. I'm realizing that since you already put the album up on bandcamp that feedback may be useless in the Musicians Exchange forum? But it didn't feel right to enjoy the music and then just not say anything about it. |
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Star_Song_Age_Less
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 08 2014 Location: MA Status: Offline Points: 367 |
Posted: June 13 2016 at 23:31 |
Alright, so I put up two new complete songs on my soundcloud, so here you go: https://soundcloud.com/jamie-kern-5/tracks
Top two tracks. I still feel that they are firmly seated in "art rock" or "prog-related" so they may not be up everyone's alley here. But I always appreciate feedback. DDPascal, I'm clearing time this evening (by not sleeping) to give some more of your stuff a listen. :) |
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