Judas Priest for Prog Related!

I think Judas Priest are not prog-band. But their music is prog related. Listen to the early albums where the fine hard-rock with rare progressive elements is. So, like many other classic hard rock band, Judas Priest must be here as a prog related band.

katatonia wrote: in my opinion,JP can be added wherever Black Sabbath is added.if they are not prog related or proto,then sure there would be nowhere to keep black sabbath either.but sure they both do fit.I've made a prog playlist of black sabbath and judas,and they both have at least 20-30 truely prog tracks

in my opinion,JP can be added wherever Black Sabbath is added.if they are not prog related or proto,then sure there would be nowhere to keep black sabbath either.but sure they both do fit.I've made a prog playlist of black sabbath and judas,and they both have at least 20-30 truely prog tracks

aginor wrote: i feel the same happend with the Scorpions suggestiong couse of one or two albums which are related to Krautrock but stil did not get in couse i don't know people are anchious of what rumour PA will have if bands as Scorpions or Priest or the Police , are added i think it is more important to show every facett of progressive music then be as narrow as posibel people mostly know which bands are prog (not a big seacret ) and which bands are obscure couse then  you look for it or ask after it not difficult, but i also think it facinating when bands you don't normaly assosiate with prog once or have in times played with the style or used it to their benefit, started as one or have prog leaning, to me that is atractive. but i also agree that the dams should not be wide opened....

Related to krautrock is not krautrock, and then krautrock isn't prog (it was meant to be the opposite) and the Scorpions' first two albums aren't even related to krautrock, just a bit Heavy Prog-ish.

Well, maybe 3 times no give a yes?

The Police, Prince and who knows what else (Madonna?) would all be fine in crossover prog; at least if you consider Amos, Björk, Talking Heads and NIN as relevant artists there. (Bites tongue in cheek)



Edited by Bonnek - November 08 2011 at 10:51

aginor wrote: DavetheSlave wrote: It has been stated to me multiple times that it is M@x's position on additions of bands to PA that if a band has 1 full-fledged progressive album then they should be added.    That was from RushFan4 post   I agree fully with what he said. Some people here seem to get whatever they choose included and as for the rest they stand firm. There are inclusions in PA at the moment which are severely questionable and there are inclusions being added regularly which are questionable. However when I suggested Stratovarius I was chewed up once and I really don't understand the standpoints that were raised. Judas Priest, to me, stands head and shoulders above Metallica as a PA addition however the Metallica fanboys got their way and I don't see the JP fans standing a chance of having something they enjoy included. When Sad Wings of Destiny was released - at that point in time - it was different and almost revolutionary - hell it was prog then.   I burn about the non inclusion of Stratovarius in the past and I learned just to let things pass because some things are pointless irrelevantly of their worthiness here. i feel the same happend with the Scorpions suggestiong couse of one or two albums which are related to Krautrock but stil did not get in couse i don't know people are anchious of what rumour PA will have if bands as Scorpions or Priest or the Police , are added i think it is more important to show every facett of progressive music then be as narrow as posibel people mostly know which bands are prog (not a big seacret ) and which bands are obscure couse then  you look for it or ask after it not difficult, but i also think it facinating when bands you don't normaly assosiate with prog once or have in times played with the style or used it to their benefit, started as one or have prog leaning, to me that is atractive. but i also agree that the dams should not be wide opened....

Scorpions should be here if only on the strength of their Lonesome Crow album Judas Priest should be here on the strength of Sad Wings of Destiny and Nostradamus to name two albums

Edited by DavetheSlave - November 08 2011 at 09:31

No.

It has been stated to me multiple times that it is M@x's position on additions of bands to PA that if a band has 1 full-fledged progressive album then they should be added.    That was from RushFan4 post

Edited by DavetheSlave - November 08 2011 at 08:00

Let me say only that; Rocka Rolla is a progenitor of Stoner Rock, and in this sense I consider this album be progressive. (But Prog-Related? Hmmmm ... )

Or explicitly tag such albums like "Point of Entry - Not Prog"? Mind you the problem with this is we then get into auguments on which non-prog albums have significant proggy moments on them, which would be the same problem with only listing "prog" albums. We could list the first four and the last one, but even straight rock albums like British Steel, Painkiller and Angel of Retribution have proggy parts. This is a minefield!

ExittheLemming wrote: rushfan4 wrote: If Judas Priest were some obscure 70's band instead of Judas Priest, and they had only released Rocka Rolla and Sad Wings of Destiny, then they would probably get consideration for a category like crossover or heavy prog; maybe even enough to be added, after all they would be obscure, probably unknown by most and therefore not controversial.  The reason a plain vanilla metal band would not be included in Crossover or Heavy Prog is because they might be considered a plain vanilla metal band (not because they're obscure or not controversial) On the flipside, if Judas Priest were some obscure 90's metal band instead of Judas Priest and they had only released Painkiller and/or Nostradamus they would probably get consideration for prog metal, or maybe again heavy prog. If a suggestor were to select the right couple of songs to provide as samples to the evaluation team they could probably get added to the database. It should be self evident that 'cherry picking' albums would lead to all manner of PA anomalies in support of your argument e.g. If ELP had ONLY released Love Beach what category would they fit?

I am aware of that, but I am also aware that there are incidences where bands have been added to the archives based on a few songs that were sampled on MySpace or some other music source, as that was all that was made available to the evaluation teams.  See recent argument in collaboration zone regarding some obscure European band that was added to Symphonic prog that Ivan tried to have moved elsewhere, but nobody else wanted them.  Their 1st album had some progginess but most of the remainder of their discography was apparently really bad Manowar type music.  If prior to their evaluation they were as well-known as Judas Priest there is no way in hell that they would have been added to PA, but because they were obscure and only the progressive music was made available for evaluation, they were added.  And of course, as you stated, the problem with cherry picking is that you do end up with anomalies.  I'm not advocating cherry picking, I am just trying to make the point that there have been more obscure bands that have been added to PA based on less than representative samples.  Just as there have been plenty of progressive bands that have probably been denied access to PA because the only samples that were made available were those that were on MySpace, which were meant for more popular consumption.