What prog music is best to do drugs to?

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omar progriguez wrote: I reckon it has to be van der graaf generator. what prog do you do drugs to?

I love to sniff loads of different weird stuff to the track  "I Can't Dance" by GENESIS

Certif1ed wrote: Yes it can be considered a valid argument. We produce fat in our bodies, but it doesn't stop us consuming it - despite the publicity about how bad it is for us. We also produce sugar - which is one of the nastiest refined substances under the sun. Salt too can kill us in large amounts, but in small amounts we love it - and in slightly more than moderate amounts, it too can be dangerous. I would add the olives of comparison to your pizza - but maybe leave off the mushrooms (fed bull**** and kept in the dark)   (I used that last analogy because I thought it was amusing, not as a dig at your comments... in case it wan't clear )

If you're arguing that cannabis is not dangerous, which is true, your argument is not valid. The only thing that is relevant when arguing for that thesis, is the actual effects of cannabis consumption.

I'm not arguing that at all - it's not true. Cannabis can be dangerous to some unfortunates who are negatively susceptible to its effects - like any drug. The same with fat - some people just balloon out and develop almost unmanageable obesity.

I'm just saying that all things are relative and different people react differently to different things.

There is nothing that we may consume that is bad in and of itself - it is our own personal reaction to it that could possibly be bad, so we need to know what it is we're consuming and monitor its effects. It doesn't take much - you don't have to follow a stringent diet or become a chemical analyst, but one should have a modicum of understanding.

The mind and body has it's own way of controlling it's biochemistry, but it can not account for chemicals consumed as a result of a conscious decision to consume the drug. There are a wealth of natural chemicals located in the human body and mind, that can be lethal if consumed. And if you think that because the amount of a given chemical located in the body is usually smaller than the amount commonly consumed, and that the amount is the only factor in how the body will react to the chemical, you are wrong. For example, infinitely small amounts of tar(not only tar can cause this) can cause immediate death if applied unto certain spots in the brain. This won't happen by consuming cannabis, but the principle is the same.

Depending on how you ingest the chemical, it will have different effects, of course (I think that's what you're saying here...)

You have to approach it in terms of principles, because it is irrelevant that cannabis works in other ways than, say, heroin, you would be subjectively favouritising cannabis and its affects, by not stating the exact same for heroin. Your invalid argument would apply to heroin as well.

No - you started off by assuming that I'd made a particular argument, and have come to this conclusion from that fallacious assumption.

Even heroin is not as damaging as one might think, given the broo-hah-hah surrounding it - aspirin is more lethal in lower doses. Heroin, however, is very physically addictive - it's worth knowing that, as a physical addiction can be a terrible thing, and creeps up on you without you knowing. Best avoided really.

The body is not nessecarily able to handle an external chemical entering the body/brain, even if it produces it on its own.

I didn't say that, although the implication is there, I suppose.

What I was getting at is that since these chemicals occur in us naturally, there is no point describing them as bad in and of themselves.

I am not evangelising their use though.

Yes it can be considered a valid argument.

We produce fat in our bodies, but it doesn't stop us consuming it - despite the publicity about how bad it is for us.

We also produce sugar - which is one of the nastiest refined substances under the sun.

Salt too can kill us in large amounts, but in small amounts we love it - and in slightly more than moderate amounts, it too can be dangerous.

I would add the olives of comparison to your pizza - but maybe leave off the mushrooms (fed bull**** and kept in the dark)

(I used that last analogy because I thought it was amusing, not as a dig at your comments... in case it wan't clear )

sigod wrote: I do enjoy listening to 'The Lamb...' with a cup of tea and some chocolate hob-nobs. Hmmm, I do believe I have hit middle age.

You wanna watch that habit of yours sigod. I had a friend who done tea and Hob Nobs. A year later he was spreading Nutella on Ginger Snaps, total nutter.