Thoughts on my taste?

Losendos wrote: I always thought it was prog   no 1 song in oz in 1969 a prog like track

This thread did not need to be bumped.

Not even a little bit.

Forgot to mention something in my previous reply to TheGazzardian (I've got an earlier reply to you a little upthread)...this is going back to their reply here:

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=77386&PN=8


You were mentioning "10,....,1" and saying (in an earlier post, I believe...keeping track is hard) that you liked "Tin legs and tine mines"...occasionally I'll look at customer reviews on sites like Amazon and look for American points of view...I think I may have come across such reviews where songs like "Tin legs and tin mines" gets mentioned as a better song off of the album. I'm wondering if that is an American thing or something. You American? It's weird, in a lot of those American reviews I'm dumbfounded...the songs which are part of Australia's classic rock landscape off of that album go unmentioned, and 'minor' songs like "Tin legs and tin mines" get mentioned! It's a bit like an Eskimo reviewing "Sgt. Pepper" and saying that whilst the album doesn't have any great songs, the best songs are "Lovely Rita" and "Fixing a hole"...sort of WTF? moments! To me, American's seem to be liking the 'wrong' songs!

I was Googling the lyrics for "Tin legs and tin mines"...thought it might have been about the Vietnam war, say...not confident that it is now...the subject matter seems a bit obscure for me...if it was about that, I would have listed the following track as one I like much better on the subject...I find the violins in it beautiful (it's an Australian song):

Redgum - I was only nineteen



This song came out before the Paul Hardcastle song with a similar name (US act). Same subject matter though...the Vietnam war.

You mentioned liking Rob Hirst's drum solo in "Power and the passion"...I remember liking a bit he did which was used as the theme to a tv series about da yoof:

Beatbox theme:



It's got 125 views...not sure how long the vid will be up.

Just by the by, Midnight Oil covered Russell Morris' classic "The real thing"...I prefer the original...don't know if you could call the original "proggy"...think it usually gets called "psychedelic"...here's the original...

Russell Morris - The real thing



That's the entire song, but there is a shorter clip actually featuring the singer...I prefer the long version...it's what gets played on classic hits stations here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ8d2EB435Q

There is a You Tube which includes what some describe as a 3rd part to the song...but you never hear that '3rd part':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1RP9sy1-LQ

Not sure if you've heard the Oils version...original is the best from my point of view.

***** Did you get around to stating what genre you thought the Oils were? Or at least for particular albums? I think that Wiki describes them as "alternative rock" or something...to me they seem pretty straight pop/rock, for most of their classic hits. "Red sails" strikes me as a bit proggy...you agree? If not, how would you describe it? "Place without a postcard" strikes me as being Nu-Traditional or something...sort of folk-rock or roots-rock.

But, overall, I think Protest-Rock is the best description of their music...it pretty much describes what you get with their music.

Maybe I'm not surprised that 10-1 didn't really take in the US...it was very much an anti-imperial album and the US was often a target of their lyrics. "Diesel and dust" was mostly about Australia's treatment of Aborigines...maybe that was 'safer' for US radio/audience? Presumably Americans didn't really view "Beds are burning" as just as easily being about native Americans.

Like I said, this is my 2nd reply to you...didn't want to edit my first reply.

Edited by dfle3 - May 08 2011 at 02:49

Dean wrote: Logan wrote: Green Shield Stamp wrote: If the title Top Prog Albums, which heads the list,  needs to by accompanied by an explanation that non prog albums are also included, then maybe a more accurate title should be selected. eg. Top albums produced by prog artists (not very catchy, I know...but perhaps less misleading) Good thinking, I think. I don't think it is. It's too long to fit in the sidebar and it's still misleading - it would be easier just to leave out the word "Prog" all together.   I'm not going to suggest it to M@X however if anyone else wants to, please be my guest.

You're far too magnanimous. ;)  It's having a more accurate title that I think a good idea -- not necessarily his example of a possible title.  I don't actualy think of artists as being Prog artists (it is the music itself that is prog or not).  If it becomes just Top Albums, then I think it should have clarification below it explaining that it excludes albums by acts included in Proto-Prog and Prog-Related.

EDIT: As for contacting M@X, I wouldn't simply because we have not had any contact before, and I like to break the ice with people in the forums before PMing them or making any requests.


Edited by Logan - May 06 2011 at 17:34

dfle3 wrote: I'm pretty sure that there must be forums with people just like yous on it...you know, people arguing that Ke$ha REALLY is better than Katy Perry...no doubt invoking the superiority of Proust to Brown to 'prove' their 'argument' too!

dfle3 wrote: It would be really cool to be able to delete posts in this thread...Snow Dog's irrelevant posts...Dean's thoughts on my album rating sytem...guff...there have been irrelevant posts in this thread...like You Tubes of songs I should check out, but that kind of stuff may interest people, so I don't have an in principle objection to it.

May I put my two cents in? You seems to get irritated by any little criticisms present in this topic. Even when other users explain and present their point of view, you're still bashing them. These quotes are simple examples of what I mean. I believe you should take a deep breath be polite and turn down your arrogance in relation to other's comments.

Back on the subject topic : I don't understand what you're really looking for here. it's not my cup of tea, but your selection is fine, even if there's some album that aren't prog (as far as I know). Why are you so preoccupied by the "radio play potential" of your selection / prog music in general?

 

If the title Top Prog Albums, which heads the list,  needs to by accompanied by an explanation that non prog albums are also included, then maybe a more accurate title should be selected. eg. Top albums produced by prog artists (not very catchy, I know...but perhaps less misleading)

 works for me.

Logan wrote: Dean wrote: Logan wrote: Dean wrote: Green Shield Stamp wrote: I think that dfle3 has made a very valid point about 'Kind of Blue' appearing in the PA top 100.  A non Prog album being cited as one of the best prog albums of all time is a nonsense.  I know there are admin reasons for it but it must be very baffling for new visitors to this website.   When non prog albums appear in the PA top 100, it seems ironic that dfle3 is criticised for including non prog albums in his list (something of a double standard operating here).   Prog music is a very broad church but perhaps Prog Archives is less so. When new visitors to the site say "Hey - Kind of Blue isn't prog", 'we' agree with them and explain why it appears in the chart eventhough 'we' know it isn't Prog. Usually that explanation is sufficient. It sure can get a bit boring explaining it again and again, though.  Maybe since we don't have a system to exclude such albums from the top-list, nor album tagging, a little disclaimer could be added under the "TOP PROG ALBUMS" headline.  On the other hand, if we didn't have such things to talk about over-an-over again, the forums would be a little less lively. We could end up with a front page that is more disclaimer than content We certainly could. We do have already below the list on the front page "* Weighted Ratings (aka WR), used for ordering, is cached and re-calculated every 15 minutes" and a little more info about the list would be beneficial.  M@X could include a hyperlink (say entitled, "How this list works") right under the "TOP PROG ALBUMS " text which links to a page where  details on how the list operates are explained.

Logan wrote: Dean wrote: Green Shield Stamp wrote: I think that dfle3 has made a very valid point about 'Kind of Blue' appearing in the PA top 100.  A non Prog album being cited as one of the best prog albums of all time is a nonsense.  I know there are admin reasons for it but it must be very baffling for new visitors to this website.   When non prog albums appear in the PA top 100, it seems ironic that dfle3 is criticised for including non prog albums in his list (something of a double standard operating here).   Prog music is a very broad church but perhaps Prog Archives is less so. When new visitors to the site say "Hey - Kind of Blue isn't prog", 'we' agree with them and explain why it appears in the chart eventhough 'we' know it isn't Prog. Usually that explanation is sufficient. It sure can get a bit boring explaining it again and again, though.  Maybe since we don't have a system to exclude such albums from the top-list, nor album tagging, a little disclaimer could be added under the "TOP PROG ALBUMS" headline.  On the other hand, if we didn't have such things to talk about over-an-over again, the forums would be a little less lively.

We could end up with a front page that is more disclaimer than content

Green Shield Stamp wrote: I think that dfle3 has made a very valid point about 'Kind of Blue' appearing in the PA top 100.  A non Prog album being cited as one of the best prog albums of all time is a nonsense.  I know there are admin reasons for it but it must be very baffling for new visitors to this website.   When non prog albums appear in the PA top 100, it seems ironic that dfle3 is criticised for including non prog albums in his list (something of a double standard operating here).   Prog music is a very broad church but perhaps Prog Archives is less so.

dfle3 wrote: "Other than that, what worthless opinions have I expressed? More worthless than yours are they?" Your opinion of me. It blows in the breeze. A lot of the guff in this thread is by you...your constantly changing attitude to me in posts...I've tended to ignore you because you write guff. It would be really cool to be able to delete posts in this thread...Snow Dog's irrelevant posts...Dean's thoughts on my album rating sytem...guff...there have been irrelevant posts in this thread...like You Tubes of songs I should check out, but that kind of stuff may interest people, so I don't have an in principle objection to it.