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    Posted: March 30 2011 at 10:40
Actually if I remember the little logic I once learned then Tamijo is right ! The if X then Y is not a valid logical argument.
And, I realy like early DS (especialy Communiquq, Making movies and Love over gold) and I think ther are a nice blues-rock band although "Romeo and Juliet" is more a broken heart song than a love song.
However, we should draw the line somewhere and I think DS is on the other side of that line. Of corse nothing will happen if they get included but if we continue this way logicaly we will come to the point where Olivia Newton John will be proposed (and as Tamijo tried to say gently, this is a nightmare !).
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Points: 4287 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2011 at 10:56
Just to make the X & Y thing clear.
 I do offcourse agree with the if X is Heavy metal, then Y is Heavy metal too.
 
Not the if Black S. is Progressive Dire S. is progressive too, they are hardly the most comparable bands,
taken, style, time, and a lot of other stuff into consideration. 
 
As said before, they should be progressive in there own right. If they are not, no reason to include them just because you think other bands do not deserve to be here either.
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Originally posted by ClemofNazareth ClemofNazareth wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

 
Regarding this thread, I don't hear anything prog in Dire Straits. It's probably the best pop of the 80s but not prog.

I believe the recommendation here is for Prog-related.  Prog-related is not prog. 


Neither a relationship. However it's just my opinion. 
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Points: 4659 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 27 2011 at 19:40
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

 
Regarding this thread, I don't hear anything prog in Dire Straits. It's probably the best pop of the 80s but not prog.

I believe the recommendation here is for Prog-related.  Prog-related is not prog. 
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Points: 14573 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 27 2011 at 16:06
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by TheLionOfPrague TheLionOfPrague wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57779&PN=1
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8551&PN=1
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22063&title=dire-strates-poll
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=75965&PID=4059728

And then some.

"Telegraph Road" is a nice long song.  Nice long songs are not necessarily progressive.

I know they're not 100% progressive, but they are more progressive than some bands that do appear in PA, like Black Sabbath.


Sorry but I totally disagree.
Sabotage IS PROG. So I disagree, too. Then if we want to look for discutible inclusions, those mentioned by Snow Dog at the beginning of the thread are enough, IMO.

Regarding this thread, I don't hear anything prog in Dire Straits. It's probably the best pop of the 80s but not prog.
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Originally posted by Chris S Chris S wrote:

I think this thread is in dire straits....if those so motivated cannot nominate then its a no brainer...LOL
 
I just posted a proposal to the Admins.....
 
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I think this thread is in dire straits....if those so motivated cannot nominate then its a no brainer...LOL
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Originally posted by TheLionOfPrague TheLionOfPrague wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57779&PN=1
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8551&PN=1
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22063&title=dire-strates-poll
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=75965&PID=4059728

And then some.

"Telegraph Road" is a nice long song.  Nice long songs are not necessarily progressive.

I know they're not 100% progressive, but they are more progressive than some bands that do appear in PA, like Black Sabbath.


Sorry but I totally disagree.
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Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

Personally, I think the first Genesis albums are progressive and hence; they should be included here.

BUT, my stomach churns and I cringe when I get reminded about how cheesy and downright bland their image and music was at the end. That includes some of Duke and the whole of their last five albums. That for me makes an inclusion of Genesis here difficult to say at least.  

 
Sorry, couldn't resist.  Evil Smile
 
 
Pick Withers was in Spring and Magna Carta of course, so he's already here.  Hal Lindes is on several of Fish's albums.  Terry Williams came from Man.  Guy Fletcher has appeared with both Roxy Music and with Phil Manzanera as a solo act.  Even Mark Knopfler appeared on a Steely Dan album (I apologize if someone already mentioned these).
 
And considering Knopfler had quite a talent for making blues guitar sound like high-brow art on the band's first few albums, it seems to me that Dire Straits fit the definition of 'Prog-related' quite well, especially since several members of that band both influenced and carried on the prog torch before and after their involvement with the band.
 
 
 
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Knopfler on his own far worse........Overall a long shot,,,,,,,BUT for DT no nominatiion = no conclusion    for those motivated.....use the processWacko
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Saw Dire Straits live in 1987
 
They were never prog nor prog related even back then. Private Investigations was as close as they got. The ALBUMS were not prog, maybe the live material was related but none of the albums.
 
I really loved the band at one stage
 
Perhaps Mark Knoffler could be considered - he did an album with Chet Atkins too.
I just think the band are really a good pop band with some good ideas, nothing prog.
 
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^Exactly!!!
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This is when I lose faith in evolution....
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This is when I lose faith in evolution....
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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

I actually LOVE "Walk of Life". Thumbs Up

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Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

.........Anyway.........

Let's kick this hot potato over to the evaluation team so they can decide. That's the 7th time or something like that they have evaluated this band. 


There is no evaluation team.
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.........Anyway.........

Let's kick this hot potato over to the evaluation team so they can decide. That's the 7th time or something like that they have evaluated this band. 
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I actually LOVE "Walk of Life". Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

^ "Brothers In Arms" is cheesy? IMHO one of the best albums of all time, both musically and lyrically.
 
 
Well side one is a bit weak, especially Walk Of Like and Latest Trick
 
but side 2 is one of the best thing from the 80's

I actually HATE Walk of Life.Angry

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