They're not Progressive, but they have more prog than a lot of bands that do appear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd3btVhwr48

 

I do consider all of Love Over Gold as rather proggy (>>> Private Investigations most notably, but most of that album as well) and the second side of Brothers In Arms is definitely a shade of proggyish... 

I know they're not 100% progressive, but they are more progressive than some bands that do appear in PA, like Black Sabbath.

How about Olivia Newton John. She's from the 70's, 

And this is kinda a long song  "Please Don't Keep Me Waiting" - 5:48

 

Well that's a matter of opinion of course. I would deny it. But a quick search would have shown how many times they have been suggested before. No real need for a new thread I think.

I would not be opposed to their inclusion though. After all...Kate Bush is here......Bjork..and Tori Amos also. No..I see no problem.

direction, as that is what prog. is about, alternative music, anyway thats just an opinion.

 

What i wanted to say was , the fact that we allready included some debateable acts, should never be the reason to include more, or you got a snowball rolling, ending up with every 70's act beeing prog., same goes for every kind of experimental act.

 

Without mentioning any other Prog Related act, I think Dire Straits are Prog Related enough.

But it is natural to compare with bands already here...why not?

 

No..it does make sense. I didn't even make that quote. Or intend or mean anything like it.

How does one judge if a band is "Prog Related" with no knowledge of what is already regarded as "Prog Related"? It MUST come into consideration.

He also used this one :

I know they're not 100% progressive, but they are more progressive than some bands that do appear in PA, like Black Sabbath.

 

Those kind of arguments was what i was trying to warn against. As i think the band should be included if they deserve so, not because other bands like Black Sabbath is here.

Not to mention that BS is from another time, where prog was in its defination, where DS made those few prog. tracks, after the first period of prog. was long gone, not actualy adding much to prog rock.

 

Basicly im not after DS, even if i disagree they a basicly even prog related, im just sick with the same story about x band should be included because y band is here.    

 

 

 

 

You may be sick of the x is here y should be argument but my belief is that it is a valid argument. I know many do not agree. However I'm pretty confident Dire Straits will be added. It's just a matter of time.

I think this was the thread that had a really good debate about the subject. A good case was made, but they ended up being rejected.

It isn't my PA. I'm simply offering my opinion...as you are.

Don't understand these debates though. Even cats and dogs know what Dire Straits are. Their inclusion (rejection) will make nothing for the band.

 

Take Metal for example, in the beginning it was defined by Black Sabbath, Deep Purple and Led Zepplin and was distinguished by its high pitched vocals and bluesy sound, this was the archytipe for Metal. However over time as new bands got added the definition of metal changed. With the advent of NWOBHM the inclusion of high speed and volume came to be more important and the inclusion of a blues influence lost some importance. When Thrash started it could have as easily become a subgenre of punk. However the fans and artists saw their music as being Metal. New features of Metal were added such as harsh vocals and palm muting. Now almost every overdriven band that has palm muting and every band that has harsh vocals is considered Metal even though they bear little to no resemblance to Black Sabbath, Deep Purple or Led Zepplin. The archytipe for metal no longer has high pitched operatic vocals or a bluesy sound. Things change.

 

Many of the newer and more active subgenres in PA are changing in sound and if we don't take this into account PA as a usefull database will be left behind because we will continue to use outdated definitions to detirmine additions.

 

We must be progressive, not reactionary to remain relevant.

 

Well side one is a bit weak, especially Walk Of Like and Latest Trick

 

but side 2 is one of the best thing from the 80's

I actually HATE Walk of Life.

That's better.

There is no evaluation team.

Omigod.

 

They were never prog nor prog related even back then. Private Investigations was as close as they got. The ALBUMS were not prog, maybe the live material was related but none of the albums.

 

I really loved the band at one stage

 

Perhaps Mark Knoffler could be considered - he did an album with Chet Atkins too.

I just think the band are really a good pop band with some good ideas, nothing prog.

 

 

Sorry, couldn't resist. 

 

 

Pick Withers was in http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=2543" rel="nofollow - Spring and http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=13828" rel="nofollow - Magna Carta of course, so he's already here.  Hal Lindes is on several of http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=724" rel="nofollow - Fish 's albums.  Terry Williams came from http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2380" rel="nofollow - Man .  Guy Fletcher has appeared with both  http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1498" rel="nofollow - Roxy Music and with  http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2246" rel="nofollow - Phil Manzanera as a solo act.  Even Mark Knopfler appeared on a http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=19401" rel="nofollow - Steely Dan album (I apologize if someone already mentioned these).

 

And considering Knopfler had quite a talent for making blues guitar sound like high-brow art on the band's first few albums, it seems to me that Dire Straits fit the definition of 'Prog-related' quite well, especially since several members of that band both influenced and carried on the prog torch before and after their involvement with the band.

 

 

 

 

I just posted a proposal to the Admins.....

 

Sabotage IS PROG. So I disagree, too. Then if we want to look for discutible inclusions, those mentioned by Snow Dog at the beginning of the thread are enough, IMO.

Regarding this thread, I don't hear anything prog in Dire Straits. It's probably the best pop of the 80s but not prog.

Neither a relationship. However it's just my opinion. 

 I do offcourse agree with the if X is Heavy metal, then Y is Heavy metal too.

 

Not the if Black S. is Progressive Dire S. is progressive too, they are hardly the most comparable bands,

taken, style, time, and a lot of other stuff into consideration. 

 

As said before, they should be progressive in there own right. If they are not, no reason to include them just because you think other bands do not deserve to be here either.

And, I realy like early DS (especialy Communiquq, Making movies and Love over gold) and I think ther are a nice blues-rock band although "Romeo and Juliet" is more a broken heart song than a love song.

However, we should draw the line somewhere and I think DS is on the other side of that line. Of corse nothing will happen if they get included but if we continue this way logicaly we will come to the point where Olivia Newton John will be proposed (and as Tamijo tried to say gently, this is a nightmare !).