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JJLehto 
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 Topic: Do you trust the government?
Posted: March 21 2011 at 14:23 |
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: March 21 2011 at 14:22 |
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: March 21 2011 at 14:20 |
I know, I'd blindly go to see any of them, but I don't have that money. Maybe in a few years I will, but will they still be touring? 
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JJLehto
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Posted: March 21 2011 at 14:17 |
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The T
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Posted: March 21 2011 at 14:16 |
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: March 21 2011 at 14:14 |
 JJLehto wrote:
I would love to see Pink Floyd 
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You and other tens of millions of people? Ain't gonna happen though... We'll have to settle with Roger and Dave.. if we can afford them. 
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The Truth
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Posted: March 21 2011 at 13:57 |
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Oh man, that concert was powerful, especially Bring The Boys Back Home.
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The T
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Posted: March 21 2011 at 13:57 |
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JJLehto
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Posted: March 21 2011 at 13:50 |
I would love to see Pink Floyd
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: March 21 2011 at 13:48 |
The T wrote:
^I would've imagined that... teary-eyed like girls on a Beatles concert in the 60s  |
Fairly accurate I had a similar moment during Bring the Boys Back Home.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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The T
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Posted: March 21 2011 at 13:39 |
^I would've imagined that... teary-eyed like girls on a Beatles concert in the 60s
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: March 21 2011 at 13:36 |
The T wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
Mother, should I trust the government?
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A big f**k NO was displayed to these lyrics in Roger Waters' concert... Agreed. |
I gave some standing applause at that point.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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The T
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Posted: March 21 2011 at 13:33 |
JJLehto wrote:
Mother, should I trust the government?
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A big f**k NO was displayed to these lyrics in Roger Waters' concert... Agreed.
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JJLehto
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Posted: March 21 2011 at 13:16 |
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Mother, should I trust the government?
Edited by JJLehto - March 21 2011 at 13:16
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The T
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Posted: March 21 2011 at 12:54 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
The T wrote:
ExittheLemming wrote:
1) Which is precisely the error that I'm highlighting in red (The history of those quiet unassuming men who oversee accord, stability and equilibrium is NOT a spectator sport) - for every Stalin, Hitler, PolPot, Mussolini, Ghadaffi, Hussein, Amin et al there are MILLIONS of individuals who have steered their nations to unspectacular, steady and peace loving progress without recourse to the abuses of power exercised by those historians deem sufficiently demonic enough to earn royalties.
2) I meant both types but yes, power can corrupt in much the same way as any form of dishonesty can, be it in the Public or Private sectors, rich or poor.
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1) I'm not just talking about the Hitlers, Stalins and the sort... The poll is about "the government", not about the rulers themselves. Even if a virtuous person is at the top of government, it's usually difficult to stop others less virtuous from being in his team (as I have experienced plenty in my country). Government as an entity made of more than one person corrupts, that's it. 2) Power can corrupt for sure, in both sectors. But only the public sector has the law and force on its side. And for the private sector to abuse power, it usually is with the public sector's help... |
People have written very extensively about supposedly responsible and benevolent rulers. They turn out to be the worst ones very often. Look at some of the "humanitarian" presidents in US history: Wilson, FDR, Lincoln. Their images portray them as great champions, but they're complete brutes.
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Yes. Reading more about history you learn they used force on people much more than could be imagined, and started many of the programs which have eroded freedom...
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: March 21 2011 at 12:44 |
The T wrote:
ExittheLemming wrote:
1) Which is precisely the error that I'm highlighting in red (The history of those quiet unassuming men who oversee accord, stability and equilibrium is NOT a spectator sport) - for every Stalin, Hitler, PolPot, Mussolini, Ghadaffi, Hussein, Amin et al there are MILLIONS of individuals who have steered their nations to unspectacular, steady and peace loving progress without recourse to the abuses of power exercised by those historians deem sufficiently demonic enough to earn royalties.
2) I meant both types but yes, power can corrupt in much the same way as any form of dishonesty can, be it in the Public or Private sectors, rich or poor.
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1) I'm not just talking about the Hitlers, Stalins and the sort... The poll is about "the government", not about the rulers themselves. Even if a virtuous person is at the top of government, it's usually difficult to stop others less virtuous from being in his team (as I have experienced plenty in my country). Government as an entity made of more than one person corrupts, that's it. 2) Power can corrupt for sure, in both sectors. But only the public sector has the law and force on its side. And for the private sector to abuse power, it usually is with the public sector's help... |
People have written very extensively about supposedly responsible and benevolent rulers. They turn out to be the worst ones very often. Look at some of the "humanitarian" presidents in US history: Wilson, FDR, Lincoln. Their images portray them as great champions, but they're complete brutes.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Lark the Starless
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Posted: March 21 2011 at 12:38 |
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5th option.
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JJLehto
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Posted: March 21 2011 at 12:37 |
Vibrationbaby wrote:
Not even with matches or a vagina.
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...wha?
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The T
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Posted: March 21 2011 at 12:36 |
ExittheLemming wrote:
1) Which is precisely the error that I'm highlighting in red (The history of those quiet unassuming men who oversee accord, stability and equilibrium is NOT a spectator sport) - for every Stalin, Hitler, PolPot, Mussolini, Ghadaffi, Hussein, Amin et al there are MILLIONS of individuals who have steered their nations to unspectacular, steady and peace loving progress without recourse to the abuses of power exercised by those historians deem sufficiently demonic enough to earn royalties.
2) I meant both types but yes, power can corrupt in much the same way as any form of dishonesty can, be it in the Public or Private sectors, rich or poor.
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1) I'm not just talking about the Hitlers, Stalins and the sort... The poll is about "the government", not about the rulers themselves. Even if a virtuous person is at the top of government, it's usually difficult to stop others less virtuous from being in his team (as I have experienced plenty in my country). Government as an entity made of more than one person corrupts, that's it. 2) Power can corrupt for sure, in both sectors. But only the public sector has the law and force on its side. And for the private sector to abuse power, it usually is with the public sector's help...
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: March 21 2011 at 12:22 |
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Who the hell said yes to this?
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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