Do you trust the government?
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Topic: Do you trust the government?
Posted By: RoyFairbank
Subject: Do you trust the government?
Date Posted: March 18 2011 at 14:15
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Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: March 18 2011 at 16:56
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"All governments are run by liars and nothing they say should be believed." -- I.F. Stone, noted socialist
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: March 18 2011 at 17:16
Oh boy. 
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: March 18 2011 at 17:21
Or, Oh LOL  |
Epignosis wrote:Posted By: Any Colour You Like
Date Posted: March 18 2011 at 17:25
This thread is now about beer.
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: March 18 2011 at 17:34
| A Belgian white please! |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 18 2011 at 20:05
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PA, the only place on Earth where the words "Belgian" and "government" can be seen on the same page ------------- What? |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 18 2011 at 20:17
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I trust most governments to do what they believe is the right thing, which is often the wrong thing. |
Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: March 18 2011 at 20:53
I'd say the second option, because I'm not old enough to pay taxes yet. 
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: March 18 2011 at 21:07
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: March 18 2011 at 21:13
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 07:48
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Don't Worry About The Government. "I see the states, across this big nation I see the laws made in Washington, D.C. I think of the ones I consider my favorites I think of the people that are working for me" Republicans love to say that the government can't do anything right, and then proceed to make it so when they can. My trust in government depends on who is in charge. I believe in maintaining a healthy skepticism no matter who is though. One more quote, this time from Laurie Anderson: "JOE: Well, he didnt know what to do so he just decided to watch the government and see what the government was doing and then kind of scale it down to size--and run his life that way." ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 09:46
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I trust the government only as far as my clitoris protrudes, and that's not much. may sound like an odd comparison, but there you are
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Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 10:03
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 10:04
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No. Of course not. Why would anyone believe their government? ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 10:20
Hahahahahaha ------------- 
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 10:31
if you ask nicely I might even send you a photo  ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 10:50
------------- What? |
Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 11:04
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We don't have a government, we've always been anarchists but it's never been as obvious as the last 250+ days  We start to take pride in that, if not from cynicism then out of pure shame and misery  |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 11:57
I did not check the age of the potential recipient. however, if UndercoverBoy is able to draw a picture of my vagina wiith that little data at his age I either have to congratulate him on his sexual expertise or chide him for looking at too many porn mags ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 13:02
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The last option. I donīt trust it in most circumstances, almost in all of them. ------------- 
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 13:18
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An elected government? A junta/military coup? A democratic one? A fascist one? A socialist one? Monarchy? Republic? Left wing? Right wing? Conservative? Progressive? Reactionary? Oligarchic? Moderate? Exemple: in France, the President and his government are from the republican conservative right. But I voted for the left party candidates. So, can I trust the government of my country? Moreover, at least, I can say I had many choices, not like people living under dictatorships. This question is too much... global and "ideal". |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 14:17
Open vagina - insert head. Sorry, could not resist - it's a quote from Denis Leary's book. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 14:28
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Yes, because I have to and they're watching me...
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 15:11
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I trust them to erode liberty, abuse power, and fight endless wars. -------------  Time always wins. |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 15:41
| This has the possibility of being the best thread ever. |
Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 16:56
Isn't It Already \-  | \ /\ |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 18:02
Government is only as good as the people in it, so this question is impossible to answer.
That's not porn, it's art. ;-) ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 23:05
Good people easily abuse power when they get it so this statement fails. Again, itīs not about the players but about the game. -------------
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Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 00:08
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Why would somebody trust the people making a wealthy living off of ruining their lives? My distrust of the government seems to become more justifiable every time they make a move. ------------- Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell? I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance. |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 02:18
I agree with Henry (for once) The millions of good people who ever attained power and behaved responsibly thereafter all have at least one thing in common. No-one's ever heard of them and no-one writes about them. Taking your argument to its logical conclusion: Person + Power = Evil Person (jeez)  ------------- 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 05:32
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OK, we need to get this thread back on track and discuss clitorises. What would make a pic porn? Being in a state of arousal?
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 06:13
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a picture of a pierced one?
------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 07:37
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 07:53
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a) No, I don't. b) I'm sure there are plenty of tasteful pics of pierced vaginas. |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 14:24
| This thread very rapidly entered "damned terrifying" territory |
Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 15:14
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 17:41
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I trust government to treat the world like a vagina and vigorously f**k it. The last option. The people in power means little. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 17:51
------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 17:52
| ITT: vagina metaphors. |
Posted By: paganinio
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 01:05
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I believe the government is run by super nice guys like Tommy Carcetti on The Wire. He is my man. ------------- 
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 01:09
1) History seems to agree with me. 2) If we define "evil" as "abusig power to advance his own interests" then usually YES. If we take "evil" as I think you take it as necessarily a cold-blooded murdering tyrant, then no, but only not necessarily. Cases still abound of this type of "evil". -------------
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Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 01:35
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 03:27
1) Which is precisely the error that I'm highlighting in red (The history of those quiet unassuming men who oversee accord, stability and equilibrium is NOT a spectator sport) - for every Stalin, Hitler, PolPot, Mussolini, Ghadaffi, Hussein, Amin et al there are MILLIONS of individuals who have steered their nations to unspectacular, steady and peace loving progress without recourse to the abuses of power exercised by those historians deem sufficiently demonic enough to earn royalties. 2) I meant both types but yes, power can corrupt in much the same way as any form of dishonesty can, be it in the Public or Private sectors, rich or poor. -------------
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Posted By: paganinio
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 06:00
Well the government in my country blocks YouTube so I can't see that video. Maybe you'll be able to guess which country I live in... -------------
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Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 06:34
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about as far as I can throw them!
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 10:13
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Not even with matches or a vagina.
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 12:18
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No...why should I? -------------   
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 12:22
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Who the hell said yes to this?
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 12:36
1) I'm not just talking about the Hitlers, Stalins and the sort... The poll is about "the government", not about the rulers themselves. Even if a virtuous person is at the top of government, it's usually difficult to stop others less virtuous from being in his team (as I have experienced plenty in my country). Government as an entity made of more than one person corrupts, that's it. 2) Power can corrupt for sure, in both sectors. But only the public sector has the law and force on its side. And for the private sector to abuse power, it usually is with the public sector's help... -------------
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 12:37
...wha? |
Posted By: Lark the Starless
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 12:38
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5th option. ------------- 
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 12:44
People have written very extensively about supposedly responsible and benevolent rulers. They turn out to be the worst ones very often. Look at some of the "humanitarian" presidents in US history: Wilson, FDR, Lincoln. Their images portray them as great champions, but they're complete brutes. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 12:54
Yes. Reading more about history you learn they used force on people much more than could be imagined, and started many of the programs which have eroded freedom... -------------
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 13:16
| Mother, should I trust the government? |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 13:33
A big f**k NO was displayed to these lyrics in Roger Waters' concert... Agreed. -------------
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 13:36
I gave some standing applause at that point. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 13:39
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^I would've imagined that... teary-eyed like girls on a Beatles concert in the 60s -------------
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 13:48
Fairly accurate I had a similar moment during Bring the Boys Back Home. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 13:50
I would love to see Pink Floyd 
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 13:57
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Oh man, that concert was powerful, especially Bring The Boys Back Home. ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 13:57
There's no equality for concertgoers around the US... -------------
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 14:14
You and other tens of millions of people? Ain't gonna happen though... We'll have to settle with Roger and Dave.. if we can afford them. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 14:16
It's close enough... -------------
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 14:17
Well of course, but 1) the affording it will be a huge barrier 2) forget other people, I only focus on myself k?  |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 14:20
I know, I'd blindly go to see any of them, but I don't have that money. Maybe in a few years I will, but will they still be touring? |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 14:22
I thought you were striving to become a true socialist?
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 14:23
hehe oh my you are silly troll b*****d |