Most influential Individual in Music

boo boo wrote: Probably whatever old guy who invented music theory.

Nobody invented music theory. It was developed through the ages.

I'm surprised you didn'y say Alice Cooper

darkshade wrote: since i dont want to multiple quote, im just going to bring up Fripp being important to metal music. Like rock music, metal would have been created in some form or another eventually. However i was referring to an interview i remember, where Ozzy Osbourne (or Tony Iommi, i dont remember) said that if it werent for 21st Century Schizoid Man, Black Sabbath would not have gone in a heavier direction, and we all know that Sabbath are said to have been the first metal band. Im sorry, but after all these years, i cannot agree with the fact that guys like Hendrix, Clapton (Cream), etc.. were more influential on metal. Sure they inspired countless guitarists and other musicians, but i think there were more important people in that area. In fact, guys like Hendrix, Jeff Beck, Clapton, whoever, were more influential in the development of Jazz-Rock Fusion, than metal. Jimmy Page is probably the exception.

The first true heavy metal band was Blue Cheer, who were before Zep, Sabbath, Purple, etc.and were incredibly loud and heavy, i mean incredibly!

since i dont want to multiple quote, im just going to bring up Fripp being important to metal music.

Like rock music, metal would have been created in some form or another eventually. However i was referring to an interview i remember, where Ozzy Osbourne (or Tony Iommi, i dont remember) said that if it werent for 21st Century Schizoid Man, Black Sabbath would not have gone in a heavier direction, and we all know that Sabbath are said to have been the first metal band.

Im sorry, but after all these years, i cannot agree with the fact that guys like Hendrix, Clapton (Cream), etc.. were more influential on metal. Sure they inspired countless guitarists and other musicians, but i think there were more important people in that area. In fact, guys like Hendrix, Jeff Beck, Clapton, whoever, were more influential in the development of Jazz-Rock Fusion, than metal. Jimmy Page is probably the exception.

Henry Plainview wrote: Epignosis wrote: Joke from one of my kids' DVDs: Q: Why did Mozart get rid of all his chickens? A: Because they kept going "bach, bach, bach." Have you guys seen this ad? They actually play it on TV and Hulu. It's weird.

Hahaha, the power of the arts! That ad makes me happy, although Brahms was a jerk to my favorite composer, Liszt, and I find his music boring.

Henry Plainview wrote: Epignosis wrote: Joke from one of my kids' DVDs: Q: Why did Mozart get rid of all his chickens? A: Because they kept going "bach, bach, bach." Have you guys seen this ad? They actually play it on TV and Hulu. It's weird.

That.

Is.

OSSUM.

Brahms could do with being a bit fatter however.

Chicken-breeding Mozart or Bach-loving-chickens... that's the question... 

thellama73 wrote: Negoba wrote: Here's a few ideas: The inventor of the pianoforte.   The inventor of the electric guitar.       These two instruments have dominated Western music in their own eras. Obviously their precursors were also very important but each had some specific qualities that allowed entire new sounds to evolve.     You mean Bartolomeo Cristofori and Les Paul? In terms of classical composers, I would argue that Beethoven has been more influential than Bach, but as for modern popular music I have to go with Elvis. I also think that Brian Eno has been tremendously influential on modern music and that he is often underestimated in this regard.

hobocamp wrote: Henry Plainview wrote: You can't know the influence of someone until it's been a long time since they died. Ladies and gentlemen I give you "absurd."

It would be nice if you argued against me instead of smirking. How is it possible to know what someone's influence will be on the entire history of music before you've experienced a lot more of it? 

And T, I should have said not really respected. I know he was never obscure, but as far as I know he wasn't regarded as a luminary until much later. 

^Well said.

By the way, there is this wrong idea that Bach as not fully respected before Mendelssohn started performing continuously (and with cuts and edits) the St Matthew Passion. Bach was respected in his lifetime, he was quite successful, that's why princes and Margraves liked him and kept him in comission. He was not super famous after he died but he never was this unknown genius who romantically got discovered centuries later. That's a false notion that any proper music historian will discreedit. Of course, people love these kind of things.. (like all the false myths around Mozart too)