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The Hemulen 
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 Topic: Crimes Against Prog
Posted: September 20 2011 at 14:35 |
 frippism wrote:
Slaughternalia wrote:
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The Power and the Glory- GG. I love the album, but the title track shouldn't exist. |
It's a bonus track, not on my LP or CD copy. Plus the band hated it. I totally agree though, it's awful |
Oh wow really??? Ahh that's actually quite the relief now I can skip it without ruining the "album experience" |
I don't think it's awful, certainly not Giant's nadir, but it does feel very out of place if you treat it as an album track, especially coming straight after "Valedictory" which is a textbook example of how to wrap up an album. Here's a brilliant quote from Ray Shulman regarding the making of the single:
Ray Shulman wrote:
"WWA said, 'Now boys, you've got to be commercial, you've gotta
make singles. Now you run away and write us a single.' So we did three
atrocious numbers. This song's the worst--'You've got it lads!'--and we
went into the studio and handed over the tapes when we came out. They
put it out, we yelled at them, and they gave it back--took it off the
market."
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It is conspicuously absent from the most recent (and hopefully final) remastered version released on Giant's own Alucard label. 
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frippism
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Posted: September 20 2011 at 14:01 |
Slaughternalia wrote:
frippism wrote:
The Power and the Glory- GG. I love the album, but the title track shouldn't exist. |
It's a bonus track, not on my LP or CD copy. Plus the band hated it. I totally agree though, it's awful |
Oh wow really??? Ahh that's actually quite the relief now I can skip it without ruining the "album experience"
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crimhead
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Posted: September 20 2011 at 13:52 |
presdoug wrote:
Cristi wrote:
irrelevant wrote:
King Manuel wrote:
Here are much worse songs to be considered crimes:
King Crimson - Cat food |
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I actually like this one a lot
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So do i.
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And I. I like the piano riffs in it.
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Slaughternalia
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Posted: September 20 2011 at 13:19 |
frippism wrote:
The Power and the Glory- GG. I love the album, but the title track shouldn't exist. |
It's a bonus track, not on my LP or CD copy. Plus the band hated it. I totally agree though, it's awful
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I'm so mad that you enjoy a certain combination of noises that I don't
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frippism
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Posted: September 20 2011 at 07:29 |
Marillion- Lavender. Kayleigh is at least an OK 80s pop song (just OK)- but my god Lavender should be put in a ditch with 500 tons of C4. "I was walking in the park/ dreaming of a spark" 
Camel- Freefall. Probably one of the most overrated songs in prog. Truly disgustingly dreadful.
Battle of the Epping Forest isn't great by any means but not bad. SEBTP is a 3 star album in my opinion in general.
The Power and the Glory- GG. I love the album, but the title track shouldn't exist.
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topographicbroadways
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Posted: September 19 2011 at 17:42 |
Prog is short for progressive. So there's by definition no such thing as a crime against Progress.
There is however plenty of sh*t progress.
Also stop necroposting. Especially in pointless threads
Edited by topographicbroadways - September 19 2011 at 17:44
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Posted: September 19 2011 at 17:08 |
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Queensryche: Everything post Promised Land
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voliveira
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Posted: September 19 2011 at 16:50 |
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I'm not a fan of ELP, but I like "Love Beach" (not a monster prog, for sure, but is very underrated). As for "The Battle..." is a great song, yes, but never one of my favorites on the album, neither of Genesis. And, yes, "Circus of Heaven" is a complete sh*t.
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"For where your treasure is, there your heart will be" Matthew 6:21
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Posted: August 18 2011 at 07:39 |
JS19 wrote:
Alitare wrote:
I don't give half a damn for Porcupine Tree, either. I can't hardly tolerate anything but In Absentia, and even then it's only the first half. Whoever was heaping hate on Rush - kudos to you as well. I thought I was the only one. Don't give half a damn for Kansas. Styx should've been crucified, most Camel kinda bores me except Moonmadness, I loathe most Mars Volta, and Dream Theater? I hope there's a whole new level of hell devoted to them for what they've been doing since Six Degrees. |
Grrr I hate everything. Because hating things is cool. |
In defense of Alitare---I agree with lot's of what he says especially the Kansas, Styx, Camel part and only like a handful of the other stuff, particularly Rush songs--because if you've heard a handful, you've heard them all.
Having said that---love Epping Forest---it's a funny, smart, social/political song based on a news story of the time---fit's into the theme of the album (BTW, I always thought Selling England was a concept album about England in the 1970's)---the song is a bit disjointed, but I think it's so British, it may turn off some listeners.
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Posted: August 18 2011 at 01:27 |
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I really don't get the hatred for Epping! I really like it.
Circus of heaven, much of Union, the final cut, the Wall & Love Beach seem to me far more offensive......
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"I always say that it’s about breaking the rules. But the secret of breaking rules in a way that works is understanding what the rules are in the first place". Rick Wakeman
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Posted: August 17 2011 at 17:40 |
TheLionOfPrague wrote:
"Epping Forest" isn't between my favorite Genesis songs, and it will never be, but i don't think it's a "crime". The thing is it should be four or five minutes long. Not eleven...... |
Most of the problem with Epping Forest lies in the vocals. Peter tried way too hard on that song.....
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Alitare
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Posted: August 17 2011 at 06:26 |
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I said all those things because it's how I feel, not because I'd assume it'd be popular.
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Posted: August 17 2011 at 06:19 |
Alitare wrote:
I don't give half a damn for Porcupine Tree, either. I can't hardly tolerate anything but In Absentia, and even then it's only the first half. Whoever was heaping hate on Rush - kudos to you as well. I thought I was the only one. Don't give half a damn for Kansas. Styx should've been crucified, most Camel kinda bores me except Moonmadness, I loathe most Mars Volta, and Dream Theater? I hope there's a whole new level of hell devoted to them for what they've been doing since Six Degrees. |
Grrr I hate everything. Because hating things is cool.
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Posted: August 17 2011 at 04:37 |
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Hot Rats is a work of genius..
Anyway, I'm definitely thinking 'Circus of Heaven' by Yes. There can be no excuse for that, not even irony..
The whole of 'The final cut' - Pink Floyd. I find it unbearable.
Golf Girl by Caravan, leaves me stone cold.
Illegal Alien - Genesis; just plain horrible.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Posted: August 16 2011 at 20:52 |
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I would say: the whole Civilian (from Gentle Giant) album is horrific..
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Posted: August 16 2011 at 20:18 |
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Dream Theater- Falling Into Infinity ,A Rite of Passage, Wither, I Walk Beside You, These Walls, Answer Lies Within
Jethro Tull- Black Satin Dancer (MITG is a great record, but I can't stand this song.)
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Posted: August 16 2011 at 19:08 |
Perhaps.... but just a tad.
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Posted: August 16 2011 at 19:04 |
I have to agree with the OP on Circus of Heaven. it's an embarrassingly twee little ditty. Test For Echo is one of my least favourite Rush albums but i'm not sure Dog Years is a crime against prog...Rush left the genre in the hallway a long time before then.
And not a mention of Dream Theater ? Some of their stuff is criminally bad...in amongst moments of genius there is utter tripe.
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Posted: August 16 2011 at 18:55 |
Alitare wrote:
I don't give half a damn for Porcupine Tree, either. I can't hardly tolerate anything but In Absentia, and even then it's only the first half. Whoever was heaping hate on Rush - kudos to you as well. I thought I was the only one. Don't give half a damn for Kansas. Styx should've been crucified, most Camel kinda bores me except Moonmadness, I loathe most Mars Volta, and Dream Theater? I hope there's a whole new level of hell devoted to them for what they've been doing since Six Degrees. |
There's a little dark effigy in my soul that twitches in delicious agony when I read such sentiments (but that would be spiteful and cruel on my part innit?)
Edited by ExittheLemming - August 16 2011 at 18:56
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Alitare
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Posted: August 16 2011 at 18:49 |
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I don't give half a damn for Porcupine Tree, either. I can't hardly tolerate anything but In Absentia, and even then it's only the first half. Whoever was heaping hate on Rush - kudos to you as well. I thought I was the only one. Don't give half a damn for Kansas. Styx should've been crucified, most Camel kinda bores me except Moonmadness, I loathe most Mars Volta, and Dream Theater? I hope there's a whole new level of hell devoted to them for what they've been doing since Six Degrees.
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and I agree with Timburlane's objections to Epping Forest to the letter.