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rod65 
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Posted: December 09 2010 at 16:12 |
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Neo-Prog for me. Though I have loved Hodgson-era Supertramp for since childhood and will listen to anything Touchstone releases, Neo-Prog is the genre that has meant the most to me over recent years. It is Neo-Prog, in fact, that drew me back onto the exploration of progressive rock as a whole, after years and years of listening to the classics and not knowing that prog was even still being made. The genre as a whole has my gratitude for that.
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claugroi
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Posted: December 08 2010 at 20:06 |
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With Supertramp, The Moody Blues, Alan Parsons Project, Mike Oldfield and Peter Gabriel, among others, I have to go with Crossover Prog.
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mohaveman
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Posted: December 08 2010 at 15:29 |
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Crossover. Little Neo has ever interested me, yet.
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Posted: December 08 2010 at 15:25 |
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Chris S
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Posted: December 07 2010 at 02:32 |
^.....treebeard, did you nod off again? 
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treebeard
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Posted: December 07 2010 at 02:30 |
No tthat I am too familiar with what is classified as Neo prog but fo rme if this includes bands such as the Flower Kings, or Frost, or Porcupine Tree or The Tangent or No Man or Spocks Beard or Beardfish or Phideaux then I am all for Neoprog....
oh yes and Marillion, but only just..........
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 17:46 |
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 16:19 |
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I think a lot of the artists accepted into crossover and prog related and I suppose neoprog could should be transferred into other subs. Don't hold your breath though because you might turn blue.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 15:03 |
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I do not consider crossover a separate sub-genre. It looks like a pool where you throw bands in which you can not categorise under other genres: for example, I can not see how Nine Inch Nails, Haggard, Mike Oldfield and Presto Ballet can belong in the same sub-genre.
I do enjoy quite a lot of bands under neo and this gets my vote (particularly Arena)
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Moogtron III
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 14:23 |
Neo prog: I like the big names of British neo prog of the 1980's and early 1990's, basically. Marillion, IQ, Pallas, Twelfth Night, Pendragon, and some more bands with Clive Nolan in it like Shadowland and Casino.
Cross over: I really have to see which artists are in it. Seeing the most popular albums, I only like Mike Oldfield a lot. I have to scroll down to the end, to the list of artists in alfabetic order to see who's in it. Well, what do artists likeTony Banks, Barclay James Harvest and Björk have in common? The correct answer is: they are all filed under "B". Okay, they're all cross over prog, according to the site. I like them all, another thing that they have in common. Just hard to see them as in one style, and to let them compete with the neo bands, which seem to have much more in common. Hard to give an answer.
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Neue regel
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 10:59 |
Definitely Neo-prog.
Marillion is better than every crossover prog band ever existed.
Not to add Arena, Pallas, Pendragon and few more greats
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 10:17 |
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rogerthat
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 10:06 |
 Slartibartfast wrote:
It all boils down to whether or not you are big tenter or a small tenter. I prefer the big tent. I love the music of those most accepted as prog, but I'm just not particularly restrictive.
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The merits or otherwise of a band is an entirely different debate from that of whether it is prog so whether someone likes Tori Amos does not and should not have anything to do with whether she should be considered prog.
Edited by rogerthat - December 04 2010 at 10:15
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 08:08 |
next: Symphonic prog vs Raga/indi prog 
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 07:09 |
It all boils down to whether or not you are big tenter or a small tenter. I prefer the big tent. I love the music of those most accepted as prog, but I'm just not particularly restrictive. Some things are obviously not, some things are borderline, some artist additions will be controversial. But in the end, everything is subject to debate.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 06:58 |
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Dean
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 06:44 |
stonebeard wrote:
harmonium.ro wrote:
Good post Dean, but people are just upset about NIN, Bjork and Tori Amos, they don't want to debate with you actual discussion points.
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Maybe because the other points don't deserve ridicule, unlike the inclusion of those artists on this site.
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I think the occasional contentious addition does little long term harm - whether those artists were added or not wouldn't change the opinion of too many people to be honest - those that throw their arms up in horror at NIN, Amos and Bjork did so at Radiohead, Split Endz and Japan too. If we were to evalauate Pure Reasons Revolution now in light of their last two albums, would they have been granted an easy passage into Crossover on the strength of The Dark Third alone?
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Dean
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 06:28 |
JJLehto wrote:
Not even trying to be funny...
Neither
So no vote for me
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Really? Not even The Dear Hunter? 
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friso
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 06:24 |
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Well, I love some of the neo-prog albums. Arena is my first progressive rock band. Crossover is to poppy for me, but Kayak is a great example of a crossover band I really like (though their older albums are symphonic prog in my opinion).
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Dean
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 05:55 |
Man With Hat wrote:
Not to sidetrack the thread but...are there really neo kraut and neo avant bands in crossover?? (I thought that avant-pop bands or poppy prog folk bands were kept in their respective subgenres...although admittedly don't know much about either) |
I can't name specific bands because they are even more obscure and unmemorable than "pure" ZART bands, but during my three year tenure doing Xover evaluations the ZART team passed a number of bands over to us for evaluation that they thought too poppy for Avant/RIO. Ones that do stand out are Deerhoof and Chrome Hoof (unrelated), with the latter even showing Zeuhl influences.
Neo Krautrock of course doesn't really exist, there was a minor renaissance in Krautrock during the turn of the century, but Krautrock influenced bands started appearing in the late 70s with the eclectic Art Pop bands like Japan and Ultravox! who adopted the austere synth-driven style of the more electronic Krautrock artists and that influence permeated many Post-punk bands at the time. It could be argued that Radiohead and Talk Talk are of that ilk.
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