Why Waters Left the Floyd's !!

Dellinger wrote: RoyFairbank wrote: I totally oppose any insult to Roger. He is Pink Floyd. Pink Floyd was nothing before Syd Left. Psychadelic bullsh*t, decent for that, but punchless. When the band was democratic they sucked even worst. Only when Roger took charge and began writing material "selfishly" did the greatest rock works come to life. Roger had a vision, a conscience and an intelligent plan. Gilmour, the only other serious writer in the Floyd, was completely groundless and incapable when it came to writing ART and not just music. Roger made his guitar work meaningful. When Roger left David HIRED a bunch of great writers and they put together a MUSICAL copycat of Pink Floyd that is quite good, but misses the intellectual points of Floyd as seen in Rog's works Pros and Cons and Amused to Death. Rog's show is brilliant by the way. Ofcourse I totally oppose any insult to Roger too, but so do I oppose any inslut to the rest of the band. I wouldn't say the band got better when Roger began writing material "selfishly" (and I even must say that there were great thing in the albums before DSotM), but rather when they learned what each was best at, and Waters is best at creating concepts and writing lyrics, and ofcourse he is a very good songwriter - but he needed the input of the others to make those Pink Floyd classics. Roger couldn't have created DSotM, Wish you Were here, nor even Animals all by himself. Nor the song Echoes. And even The Wall may have suffered if he hadn't had the feedback of the band (and Comfortably Numb wouldn't have been the song so many love). And Gilmour wasn't the only other serious writer in Floyd, Wright also did his share of writing, and in DSotM I think he was a more important writer than Gilmour, and about as important as Waters (Great Gig in the Sky and Us & Them were his babies, and he co-wrote Time and Any color you like with the rest of the band); and he was co-writer of Shine on you Crazy Diamond. And perhaps Gilmour's Floyd misses the points of the classic Pink Floyd, but Waters solo output misses the music.

Of course as many have stressed Floyd were a band and as such they all contributed vital things to make it what it was. I wanted to use the Beatles as an example. In some respects Waters = Lennon and Gilmour = Mc Cartney. The Beatles were great because of (obviously) sheer talent but also the right mix of people. Floyd were very much the same imo.

 

RoyFairbank wrote: I totally oppose any insult to Roger. He is Pink Floyd. Pink Floyd was nothing before Syd Left. Psychadelic bullsh*t, decent for that, but punchless. When the band was democratic they sucked even worst. Only when Roger took charge and began writing material "selfishly" did the greatest rock works come to life. Roger had a vision, a conscience and an intelligent plan. Gilmour, the only other serious writer in the Floyd, was completely groundless and incapable when it came to writing ART and not just music. Roger made his guitar work meaningful. When Roger left David HIRED a bunch of great writers and they put together a MUSICAL copycat of Pink Floyd that is quite good, but misses the intellectual points of Floyd as seen in Rog's works Pros and Cons and Amused to Death. Rog's show is brilliant by the way.

Ofcourse I totally oppose any insult to Roger too, but so do I oppose any inslut to the rest of the band. I wouldn't say the band got better when Roger began writing material "selfishly" (and I even must say that there were great thing in the albums before DSotM), but rather when they learned what each was best at, and Waters is best at creating concepts and writing lyrics, and ofcourse he is a very good songwriter - but he needed the input of the others to make those Pink Floyd classics. Roger couldn't have created DSotM, Wish you Were here, nor even Animals all by himself. Nor the song Echoes. And even The Wall may have suffered if he hadn't had the feedback of the band (and Comfortably Numb wouldn't have been the song so many love). And Gilmour wasn't the only other serious writer in Floyd, Wright also did his share of writing, and in DSotM I think he was a more important writer than Gilmour, and about as important as Waters (Great Gig in the Sky and Us & Them were his babies, and he co-wrote Time and Any color you like with the rest of the band); and he was co-writer of Shine on you Crazy Diamond. And perhaps Gilmour's Floyd misses the points of the classic Pink Floyd, but Waters solo output misses the music.

He did'nt leave.......he just evaporated ! 

This is for me another stick a fork in them, they're done groups.  That doesn't mean that the guys don't have some more good shows or music left in them.

I saw them without Waters on The Division Bell Tour when they came by Atlanta to the Georgia Tech outdoor football stadium for a concert.  Just looked it up and there were two shows.  I don't have the ticket stub handy but it may be in storage.  Anyway, it was a rainy day, brought down a good umbrella.  They made everyone entering the stadium with an umbrella leave it near the entrance.  I did wear a raincoat but the weather was awful and severely distracted from the show.  All the umbrellas had been carried off by the time the show was over.  That was just wrong.  Well, at least we had seats.

I think it was a Friday May 3, 1994.  Uh no, it was one of those horrid middle of the week concerts.  Anyway, on top of being on either a Tuesday or a Wednesday when I was there, the weather sucked!!!


Edited by Slartibartfast - July 12 2010 at 23:18

Hi,

it was the same with Dire Straits and Knoplers willing to control EVERYTHING even he's brother could not stand him. to much EGO is bad, just look at the French footbal squad during the world cup...

nordwind wrote: The same Roger Waters who spit on fans in Toronto .

nordwind wrote: The same Roger Waters who spit on fans in Toronto .

It was the whole anonymous stadium rock experience he was spitting upon, with ignorants screaming at him to play certain tracks whilst trying to play new music from Animals.

Don't complain about it - at the end of the day, it did bring about The Wall, one of the greatest albums of all time


Edited by lazland - July 12 2010 at 14:32

The same Roger Waters who spit on fans in Toronto .

Proletariat wrote: RoyFairbank wrote: He is Pink Floyd. Roger had a vision, a conscience and an intelligent plan. Gilmour, the only other serious writer in the Floyd, was completely groundless and incapable when it came to writing ART and not just music. Roger made his guitar work meaningful. When Roger left David HIRED a bunch of great writers and they put together a MUSICAL copycat of Pink Floyd that is quite good, but misses the intellectual points of Floyd as seen in Rog's works Pros and Cons and Amused to Death. Rog's show is brilliant by the way. waters? itellectual? if he were a writer he would not be a writer of great literature. he would be a memoirist writing books along the same line as "A Million Little Pieces"... Great, Interesting, Powerfull.... yet full of contradictions and exaggerations and unbearably repetitive.

Edited by Ronnie Pilgrim - July 12 2010 at 07:29