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    Posted: June 08 2010 at 13:05
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For a more literally 'prog-punk' album, how about Planet Gong 'Floating anarchy 77' live album?  Daevid Allen of Gong, together with festival/ punk outfit Here and Now...
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Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

This topic was already covered by me :
 
 
and also one thread was started previously by trouserpress :
 
 
 
 


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Supersister has always seemed punky to me.

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Supersister has always seemed punky to me.
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A rare fish is the best progressive punk band out there.
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Points: 8138 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2010 at 07:26
This topic was already covered by me :
 
 
and also one thread was started previously by trouserpress :
 
 
 
 
"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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At The Drive-In's Relationship Of Command
Most of The Mars Volta
Omar Rodriguez Lopez's Cryptomnsesia
RX Bandits' last album
Muse is pretty punk sometimes
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Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Do they??? Well, the Virgin Prunes were clearly less "pop" than the Cardiacs! Some of their tracks are to be categorized as "industrial music", a lot of them are more or less experimental, often atmospheric.
The Cardiacs are much, much, MUCH more catchy than the Virgin Prunes.

By the way, good idea to talk about the 80's UK Goth scene: I always thought that Bauhaus, Siouxsie & the Banshees and even Sisters of Mercy and Fields of Nephilim were... Not progressive, but at least daring and innovative.
 
Hmm I just said they reminded me of VPs. Just from listening to the YouTube above.  I listened to it again and yes they are very distinct and I think it was the vocal style that made me think this especially the end of the song.  I went on and listened to a few others on Youtube and there isn't much more than that  they share.  I am surprised I have never listened to them before as they have been going so long.  The VPs were quite catchy though they just tended not to get much airplay LOL.
 
The other so called gothic bands you mention are certainly progressive* (Although I annoyed Dean once by questioning the originality of FOTN as I had just heard the first album I think I described them as second rate Sisters or similarWink)  I think one of the ways they did this was by introducing new (sometimes borrowed) rythms into rock music (Tribal/ dance/ reggae/ dub etc) Not that that would make them popular in Prog circles. 
 
*I do not mean to say they are progrock.Shocked heaven forbid.  They changed punk music in one way or another.


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Green day has two concept albums, just mentioning that because nobody has yet.
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Originally posted by clarke2001 clarke2001 wrote:

Kultur Shock.

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Started a blog thread inspired by Random Hold about 2 years ago. This was in part about: what happens to less successful musicians when the music scene moves on and perhaps they can't (literally) afford to be left behind - equally they get tired of ploughing the same furrow:
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=48113

Nobody mentioned son of Clash, Big Audio Dynamite, wrt punk progressing.
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Do they??? Well, the Virgin Prunes were clearly less "pop" than the Cardiacs! Some of their tracks are to be categorized as "industrial music", a lot of them are more or less experimental, often atmospheric.
The Cardiacs are much, much, MUCH more catchy than the Virgin Prunes.

By the way, good idea to talk about the 80's UK Goth scene: I always thought that Bauhaus, Siouxsie & the Banshees and even Sisters of Mercy and Fields of Nephilim were... Not progressive, but at least daring and innovative.
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^ Well It's a shame that 'trackstoni doesn't elaborate as I'm sure there is a debate to be had.
 
I suppose it may depend on if you see Punk as just a genre of music (There are punks who would say that as soon as you add a guitar solo then its not punk so goodbye to The Damned even though they were one of the first) or as an attitude/way of life?   I personally think it adds up to more than just a genre of music and that you can have progressive / punk hybrids but as I haven't got a clue what progressive music is anyway I wouldn't like to define it - I wouldn't pigeon hole anyway as it really doesn't matter.
 
The band I always whine on about ad nauseum are Magazine ex Buzzcocks Howerd Devoto goes new wave postpunk prog.  But I would add a lot of the later early eighties 'Goth' bands to this who weren't called goth originally.  All the usual suspects Bauhaus/Siouxsie and Sex Gang/ Virgin Prunes/ UK Decay etc I think they were all highly inventive and certainly progressed music as a whole.  I wouldn't think they were progressive though.  But then you might know otherwise?  Wink
 
By the way The Cardiacs (Not heard them but sound interesting) remind me of The Virgin Prunes?
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Read the thread. Clearly, it has.
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     Punk cannot , and i mean cannot , be Progressive . Not Yesterday , not Today , not even Tomorrow !!!!!!
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Points: 10841 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2010 at 08:28
Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

Jean-Luc Picard, try to search youtube for some UZ JSME DOMA songs, tell me what do you think about them :-)

And by the way, you're probably right, there can't be progression of Punk, this genre is opposite of Prog by nature. However, we can appreciate Avant-Garde Punk groups as they are much more closer to how we understand Prog.



It's not "Jean-Luc", it's "C".
And I know a bit Uz Jsme Doma, for having read an interview of their guitarist in the French ProZine Traverses nearly 10 years ago. But I only know the mp3's they provide on their site: it's difficult to find their records in France, unless they tour in the country.

My sentence about "Progressive Punk / Avant-garde Punk" was a reply to the mention of the Swans, nothing more, nothing less.
From what I know, some punk-rock musicians enjoy Progressive Rock: John Lydon (fan of VdGG or Hawkwind), Captain Sensible from the Damned (whose band managed to release a 17 minute song on their Black Album in 1980)...

Judging by some creations from the "Post-Punk / New Wave" scene, Punk appears to me a renewal of the whole genre of Rock, soon to split in various tendancies: Hardcore Punk Vs. a new set of Art-Rock.
Wire, Cocteau Twins, Dead Can Dance, Nomeanso... All in their own way created some kind of new Art Rock, Progressive Punk or any other innovative form of rock music.
Even Black Flag, coming from the first wave of US Hardcore Punk, managed to perform some records closer to a pre-Jazz-Metal genre than anything labeled as "Punk" - which shows that some Punk bands can "progress" and present an interesting evolution in their music.
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Mars Volta were called Punk Floyd.
First Muse's albums up to Absolution were punky.
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