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    Posted: June 07 2005 at 11:09

Soz barbs, gotta run. Iv got the dogs to round up!

Thanks for all the advice. Who knows, this could be the start of a musical adventure trip.

I hope your not sat around drinking pina coladas! I would be sooooo jealous!  Cya...
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No cave in as in cave in! Great band and kind of experimental, although their most commercial release “Antenna” is still my favourite. I’m yet to hear anything by dream theatre, but seen as there are so many arguments over the band I can only assume that there must be something good about them. As for Opeth, I don’t mind them, but I’m not a big fan of the death metal style vocals, is Dream Theatre similar?

 

On the early prog scene, I’m regrettably to young to remember and generally prefer newer artists, (as long as they continue to push the boundaries that’s fine by me!)

 

At the moment I really like Within temptation, muse aren't bad and I friend of mine has the nightwish album, meant to be similar to lacuna coil, the gathering etc.. I'll have to listen to it sometime... 

 

The weathers not good where you are? Shame its 100 degrees hear!

 


 
I take your point on the weather. Like if I said I was lying on the beach at Hamilton Island drinking pina coladas at midnight I just thought it would have been cruel.
Dream Theater are not really similar to Opeth. Hard to say. Lead guitarist is extremely fast and they have an excellent bass player.  Metropolis is an excellent album to start with IMO as Train of thought was pretty heavy (metal) - an aquired taste. Im not a fan of death metal vocals either. I think its the Damnation album by Opeth that is generally very mellow and most natural vocals.

Within Temptation?  How would you describe them?  Also  Cave In (which isn't really a good name for someone who walks on the ice alot!!! What are you fav songs??

For prog try Yes 'Close to the Edge". Its a classic of prog rock  Also  Porcupine Tree - In Absentia - You can't really miss with them - I'd be really surprised if you didn't love at least one of those albums after one or two turns
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No cave in as in cave in! Great band and kind of experimental, although their most commercial release “Antenna” is still my favourite. I’m yet to hear anything by dream theatre, but seen as there are so many arguments over the band I can only assume that there must be something good about them. As for Opeth, I don’t mind them, but I’m not a big fan of the death metal style vocals, is Dream Theatre similar?

 

On the early prog scene, I’m regrettably to young to remember and generally prefer newer artists, (as long as they continue to push the boundaries that’s fine by me!)

 

At the moment I really like Within temptation, muse aren't bad and I friend of mine has the nightwish album, meant to be similar to lacuna coil, the gathering etc.. I'll have to listen to it sometime... 

 

The weathers not good where you are? Shame its 100 degrees hear!

 
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Originally posted by InfinityCascade InfinityCascade wrote:

That was a compliment! Hey Barbs. Whats on the barbie? Just kidding! I'm mainly into bands like The Gathering, Lacuna Coil, (Gulp) Evanescence, Lostprophets, Cave in etc.. I dont think thats prog, but i'm confused cos it seems that what is and isn't prog is of constant debate on this site! U? and hows the weather down in oz?


Is that Cave as in the 'Bad Seeds'? I like the Gathering. Do you like Muse, Nightwish or Opeth?

My favourite bands are Yes, Deep Purple, Porcupine Tree, Dream Theatre (Porcupine Tree are awesome and so are DT cept some people either love or hate DT because of the prog debate but mainly because DT fans are fiercely loyal and there are many. they flood forums etc. I'm not a fanatic - to old for it - but I can see why they like them so much. I actually think that another prog metal band is a better example of prog than DT and that is Symphony X which I also think are excellent. But my favourite song is probably by DT called Home from their album Metropolis - Scenes from a memory. I have bought quite a few albums after downloading some sample songs for band reviews on the Progarchive site.

As far as the debate goes about prog it will still rage I guess till the 'cows come home'.Good ol country Aussie expression.  My thoughts are that there is a definitive split between the modern progressive rock movement and today which might be called postmodern prog. To this degree I am only using terminology that modern philosopher/sociologists use to label todays era.

Quite a few old prog fans would see the best of prog being in the early 70s era or even earlier late 60s and lasting only a few years apart from a few bands such as King Crimson, generally considered by many to be the 'fathers' of prog.

Prog is not the only stuff I'm into but I can't tell you that because the message would explode after your read it. Joke of course but I like some jazz, blues, folk, classical.

some recent excellent new bands I have been listening to are Dead Soul Tribe and Kamelot.

The weather here is cold and gloomy - Tas - so not that far away -
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That was a compliment! Hey Barbs. Whats on the barbie? Just kidding! I'm mainly into bands like The Gathering, Lacuna Coil, (Gulp) Evanescence, Lostprophets, Cave in etc.. I dont think thats prog, but i'm confused cos it seems that what is and isn't prog is of constant debate on this site! U? and hows the weather down in oz?
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Originally posted by InfinityCascade InfinityCascade wrote:

Has anyone said Funeral for a friend, Lostprophets (although not the disasterous new stuff), Million dead etc... Ok not exactly prog, but who cares. Couldn't think of any decent welsh prog bands + i'm not really into prog, i just come hear cos prog fans have a mental age similar to their actual age as a pose to most metal fans who don't know their arse from their elbow!


Is that kind of a compliment I think. Antarctica. Whats the weather like?Ha
what are you into apart from the above??
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Has anyone said Funeral for a friend, Lostprophets (although not the disasterous new stuff), Million dead etc... Ok not exactly prog, but who cares. Couldn't think of any decent welsh prog bands + i'm not really into prog, i just come hear cos prog fans have a mental age similar to their actual age as a pose to most metal fans who don't know their arse from their elbow!
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Originally posted by AfanSpur AfanSpur wrote:

Barbs wrote...............

Thar mycht men se a felloune sicht:
With staffing, stoking, and striking
Thar maid thai sturdy defending,
For with gret strynth of men the pet
Thai defendit, and stude tharat,
Magre thair fais, quhill th nycht
Gert thame on bath halfis leif the ficht.

And, yes, I was aware that England and Wales are different. Are you a  member of Cymdeithas yr laith Gymraeg  

Thanks Barbs, lovely poem, appreciate the comments. No not a member but sympathetic to all languages as culture and history are wrapped up in them.Would love to see Wales Scotland and Ireland, Cornwall and the Isle of man become bi lingual but could that happen? Maybe Wales but probably none of them, more's the pity

 



Cheers I agree. I love other languages myself but I appear to be hopeless at trying to learn them. Should have started when I was a kid.
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Barbs wrote...............

Thar mycht men se a felloune sicht:
With staffing, stoking, and striking
Thar maid thai sturdy defending,
For with gret strynth of men the pet
Thai defendit, and stude tharat,
Magre thair fais, quhill th nycht
Gert thame on bath halfis leif the ficht.

And, yes, I was aware that England and Wales are different. Are you a  member of Cymdeithas yr laith Gymraeg  

Thanks Barbs, lovely poem, appreciate the comments. No not a member but sympathetic to all languages as culture and history are wrapped up in them.Would love to see Wales Scotland and Ireland, Cornwall and the Isle of man become bi lingual but could that happen? Maybe Wales but probably none of them, more's the pity

 
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The Old Language

Wallace is writing in a kind of scotish dialect, Chaucer is English here are two of wales' greatest poets. Wales is not England!

RS Thomas

England, what have you done to make the speech
My fathers used a stranger to my lips,
An offence to the ear, a shackle on the tongue
That would fit new thoughts to an abiding tune?
Answer me now. The workshop where they wrought
Stands idle, and thick dust covers their tools.
The blue metal of streams, the copper and gold
Seams in the wood are all unquarried; the leaves'
Intricate filigree falls, and who shall renew
Its brisk pattern? When spring wakens the hearts
Of the young children to sing, what song shall be theirs?

DO NOT GO GENTLE INTO THAT GOOD NIGHT

Dylan Thomas

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.


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If you read my post I never said he was speaking in an English dialect, I said it made me think of Chaucer from the way Wallace was construting his words. You said 'a sort of Scottish'. I don't think any of us could track down exactly what sort. Chaucer is pre 1400 so there is little resemblance to the English now to then as it is borrowed from many different sources.  There is a book by David Crystal called The CambridgeEncyclopedia of the English Language. In that he talks about Scots English. If  Wallace was writing in a truly old scottish dialect he would most likely be writing in Gaelic. However, the following extract is about THE BRUCE in scots english from the siege at Berwick. By the mid 1400s the two languages had diverged markedly due to Englands attempts at annexation. But before this, there was infact a sharing of dialect of which England was the main recipient I would think.

Thar mycht men se a felloune sicht:
With staffing, stoking, and striking
Thar maid thai sturdy defending,
For with gret strynth of men the pet
Thai defendit, and stude tharat,
Magre thair fais, quhill th nycht
Gert thame on bath halfis leif the ficht.

And, yes, I was aware that England and Wales are different. Are you a  member of Cymdeithas yr laith Gymraeg  






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The Old Language

Wallace is writing in a kind of scotish dialect, Chaucer is English here are two of wales' greatest poets. Wales is not England!

RS Thomas

England, what have you done to make the speech
My fathers used a stranger to my lips,
An offence to the ear, a shackle on the tongue
That would fit new thoughts to an abiding tune?
Answer me now. The workshop where they wrought
Stands idle, and thick dust covers their tools.
The blue metal of streams, the copper and gold
Seams in the wood are all unquarried; the leaves'
Intricate filigree falls, and who shall renew
Its brisk pattern? When spring wakens the hearts
Of the young children to sing, what song shall be theirs?

DO NOT GO GENTLE INTO THAT GOOD NIGHT

Dylan Thomas

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.


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Originally posted by Unifaun Unifaun wrote:

wales is cool, as are super furries

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Yeah I like furries, super!

Hey Snow Dog, I can imagine that if you fail to get the housework done and let the kids run rampant around the house, you won't be gettin any furries at all!!

....yeah right................(actually prefer unfurry anyway!)
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Unifaun Unifaun wrote:

wales is cool, as are super furries

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Yeah I like furries, super!

Hey Snow Dog, I can imagine that if you fail to get the housework done and let the kids run rampant around the house, you won't be gettin any furries at all!!
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[QUOTE=wallace]Gnidrolog noo Welsh.
(Surrey metinks.)[/QUOTE

'For when thy labour doon al ys,
And hast mad alle thy rekenynges,
In stede of reste and newe thynges,
Thou goost hom to they hous anoon:
And, also domb as any stoon,
Thou sittest at another book,
Tyl fully daswed ys thy look...

An excerpt from Chaucer for you Wallace

It is said of him that like every true poet he was impelled to write  but as a pastime did not take it to seriously. I thought of you when I read this. 





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Super Furry Animals album  Mwng is probably the best welsh language record ever. It is a classic psychedelic folk album worth it for the artwork alone. The web site is a great work of art as is the dvd for Phantom power. Saw them live and enjoyed, especially Gruff Rhys walking out with the outside power ranger helmet singing to Slow Life. Great show stopping end when the band dress up in yeti suits to rock to the man don't give a .....! a tribute to mssrs Bush and Blair

Gorkis Zygotic Mynci are class too and also sing yng ymraeg in welsh.
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Another joke with sheep in it


A man walks into his bedroom carrying a sheep.

His wife is reading in bed. The man says,
"This is the pig that I f**k when you've
got a headache".

His wife retorts, "I think you'll find
that THAT is a sheep."

The man replies, "I think you'll find that
I was talking to the sheep."
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Dr. Z came from North Wales
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Originally posted by Unifaun Unifaun wrote:

wales is cool, as are super furries

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Yeah I like furries, super!
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Dazo Dazo wrote:

Our humour? Is that a Welsh band? The only welsh band I know is Budgie.Hoonest?

Hoonest to Good?
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