Welsh Prog
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Topic: Welsh Prog
Posted By: wallace
Subject: Welsh Prog
Date Posted: May 21 2005 at 11:47
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Oy Snowdonia Dog!
Yer locater'd in Wales, roight? Wha's th' used rekkid store sitcheratioon lik ? Middlin' or raither feckin' dismal lik evraywhere else. Wallace be i' need o' these vinyls. (Ah'll trade rare Canadians.) Please tae keep a mince pie (eye) ope fer dem: MALACHI -SAME '72 PERERIN - TEITHGAN '81 -HAUL AR... '79 -TIRON DIR '83 (Aye, ah kens sum o' thaim wert reissered on CD by Spanish ootfit. Ah wants vinyl.) BRAN - HEDFRAN '76 -AIL DDECHRA '75 Ah doan suppose MAN lps were releas'd on Welsh labels??? ..... Fer yew anoraks, sum Welsh luminaries: DAVE EDMUNDS & LOVE SCULPTURE PERCY JONES BLUE WEAVER JOHN 'PUGWASH' WEATHERS QUICKSAND EYES OF BLUE 'TWEKE' LEWIS AND PICKFORD-HOPKINS BIG SLEEP AMEN CORNER TAFF WILLIAMS ROGER GLOVER PAT MORAN - produced Hawkwind, Hammill,Renia, Lindisfarne (an' some charn best forgot) BLONDE ON BLONDE NEUTRONS HELP YOURSELF (Mesell, Ah doan care fer dis 'rural' westcoast-inflerenced prog) Did yer lot ken tha BAITH Spring lps wert recorded in Wales? Aye, thare's a SECUND, but ye'll noo likely evar be 'earin' it. Mair th'pity. |
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Posted By: abyssyinfinity
Date Posted: May 21 2005 at 11:59
I owe Pererin cd, fantastic and highly recommendable, recently Italian Akarma reprinted it also on vinyl... 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 21 2005 at 12:00
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I dont know the answer to the Man question, and I'll look out for yer albums if I ever go to a second hand record store. A Farewell To kings was also recorded in Wales at Rockford, There are the sound of Welsh sparrows on the album. I ont think the birds realise that they are Welsh tho. Probably immigrants! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: May 21 2005 at 13:00
If I remember correctly, Gnidrolog were from Wales. Great band 
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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: May 21 2005 at 13:11
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super furry animals are one of my favourite bands. As well as Manic Street Preachers. Stereophonics and Feeder are ok. I can probably think of more on another day, but not right now. ------------- The Worthless Recluse 
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Posted By: wallace
Date Posted: May 21 2005 at 13:26
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Gnidrolog noo Welsh.
(Surrey metinks.) |
Posted By: Harlequin
Date Posted: May 21 2005 at 13:36
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There used to be an excellent second hand record shop in Porthmadog. Where in wales are u snow dog? ------------- Information is not knowledge Knowledge is not wisdom Wisdom is not truth Truth is not beauty Beauty is not love Love is not music Music is the best... |
Posted By: Heptade
Date Posted: May 21 2005 at 14:09
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At least one website claims Gnidrolog were Welsh,
but the internet is often wrong. Budgie, Badfinger, John Cale, Gorky's Zygotic Mynci, Mary Hopkin, Karnataka (some call 'em prog...), all Welsh. Ivor the Engine, Welsh.... |
Posted By: wallace
Date Posted: May 21 2005 at 15:14
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Mebbe someain tink Gnidrolog Welsh cos o' th' quare band name.
Acturely tha' cum aybit dis way: its a transpoositioon o' letters inna family name Goldring (wiv th'addition o' extra "o"). By th' by, Collin Goldring playit recorders on Yes' "Your Move". Maister Stewart Goldring's favorite Gnidrolog lyric be: "Sightless I am, cadaver born, By critic's pen, my task is torn. Remnants that once were principals, now but rags In a Pauper's tomb." Aye, me task is torn - soundits akin tae Maani joust annhilatin' me wondrous post on Engerlish Mannerisms in Prog. Whilst allowing Belva's visual pornography free reign. Curious cove, dis moderator o' youren. |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: May 22 2005 at 19:27
United Artists - as Welsh as the Argentine national rugby team..................... What about John Cale - son of Ammanford - Karl Jenkins (Nucleus, Soft Machine, Amadeus) - both played in the National Youth Orchestra of Wales at the same time in their teens? Good space rock from Sons of Selina And Tom Jones turning his voice to the blues in a big way shouldn't be neglected - check out his single release backed by New Model Army (Gimme Shelter) and particularly numbers done by Jeff Beck with Tom Jones in part of the the TV film Red White and Blues directed by Mike Figgis (part of the Scorsese produced Blues TV series 18 months ago). And what was the band who named one of the albums after a tiny little harbour a kilometre from one of the best beachs on the UK coast, Barafundel? |
wallace wrote:Posted By: wallace
Date Posted: May 22 2005 at 20:47
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Barafundel -tha be Gorky's Zygotic Mynci. "Bawd Time" an' "Tatay" be goodun's as weel. Later dems churnin' oot sum Beach Boys-sound mundungus.
Anither coast place -this tyme coast o' Snowdonia,Wales: Portmeirion. Who dare tak Wallace on wiv a Prisoner trivia match? Gwan, ye chuffs! |
Posted By: transend
Date Posted: May 22 2005 at 22:41
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What about 'Magenta'???? very welsh laddo |
Posted By: Moribund
Date Posted: May 23 2005 at 04:11
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Hey the Myncis! Forgot about them. Barafundle FAB album. Lets get this great band out in the open here!!! ------------- New Progressive Rock Live show now touring UK theatres! www.masterpiecestheconcert.co.uk |
Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: May 23 2005 at 05:33
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There's a Market place in Llanelli , Wales that sell second hand cd's including Man and Deke Lenord. ------------- CYMRU AM BYTH 
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: May 23 2005 at 14:04
Been there and it always rains, the first time 3 days on the trot!! (And outrageous prices for the Clough-Ellis's Portmeirion china................................). Rather be in Pembrokeshire, a kilometre from Barafundel or at Marloes beach. |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: May 23 2005 at 16:48
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The shop in Porthmadog is called COB Records... and absolutely cool place on the edge of town near the Ffestiniog Railway, where I have passed many an interesting hour....and I mean that... you simply cannot do the shop justice in less than 2 hours!! In your Welsh hunt, don't forget good ol' John Dexter Jones, lead singer with 'Jump'.... he's from Bangor ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: May 23 2005 at 19:39
has anyone heard mwng by super furry animals? a low budget yet incredible record written entirely in welsh.  ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: Paco Fox
Date Posted: May 24 2005 at 03:11
| I love the Pererin album 'Haul...'. Any clue of how getting the other two?. And please, I kindly request you don't use phonetic or whatever writting in this forum. There are many non-english speakers here, and these things can be annoying. |
Posted By: wallace
Date Posted: May 24 2005 at 08:43
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Ah tertally agree. Th'abyoose o' King's Engerlish is summart arfool arund here!
........ Tae th'point o' PERERIN: Symphonic an' Doug Larson (US) will stock/mebbe alreedy 'av "Teithgan". Guersson Records is based oot o' Spain so mebbe ye kens the whole shady story aybit dis Pererin reisser gaff. Dis be 'ow Wallace unnerstauns it: Guersson ha' rights tae "Haul..." licensed to his company direct frae Arfon Wyn of the band. Accordin' tae Guerssen , him findit oot tae hissen astonishment tha Akarma ha' alreedy releas'd Haul an' stock'd their warehouse -wivoot legal permission frae band. At dis juncture, since Arkarma is so reelatively large comparit tae Guerssen, Guerssen Records decid'd NOT tae reissuer "Haul". But dems will/are doin' "Teithgan" (an' mebbe third lp atta later date.) Iffin yer wants th'whole long tale straight from Mr. Guersson, gie Wallace a private message an' ah will supply yew wiv th'link. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: May 24 2005 at 09:57
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My most prog album from a welshman would be John Cale's Church Of Anthrax in collaboration with minimalist compser Terry Riley. Astounding stuff but the cream of the crop there is the short sung number lost among the complicated longer tracks . ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: May 24 2005 at 16:31
| Even thought they're not really prog - as stated very clearly on some of their early albums, Budgie were a great band of sheep-shearers... |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: May 24 2005 at 17:30
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Have some respect for the people on here and type normally. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 24 2005 at 17:35
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A man comes to a country gate, looking over he espies a farmer struggling with a sheep. " Are you shearing?" he inquires The farmer replied "NO......Get your own!" ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: wallace
Date Posted: May 24 2005 at 17:52
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Reed Luver:
when be the laist toime yer actually posted onna soobject o' prog - o' ,fer th'matter,start'd a prog threid? |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: May 24 2005 at 18:33
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How is that relevant to the way you post ???? Wallace-we all have new beginnings,hence my change of monicker-why cant you???
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 06:44
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My jokes not funny then? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 11:29
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A London businessman was driving home through the countryside after a meeting, when he looks over into a field and sees a farmer struggling with a cow. Inquisitively, he stops the car and asks the farmer whether he can be of any assistance. "Ah, great, says the farmer, could you hold the front of the cow while I take the back legs and pull? After a few minutes of heaving and straining on all their parts, the Londoner looks over and sees a dazed calf lying on the ground. The farmer turns to him and says "Many thanks for your help, that would have been a very difficult job on my own". To which the Londoner replies "No problem at all, but maybe you could answer me a question... what speed was the Calf doing when it hit the Cow?" You see, Snow Dog, for every bad joke, there is always a worse one... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 14:09
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I don't think anyone likes our humour, snow dog!! ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 14:38
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Thats for sure! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Dazo
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 17:33
| Our humour? Is that a Welsh band? The only welsh band I know is Budgie.Hoonest? |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 17:56
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Hoonest to Good? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Unifaun
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 20:31
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wales is cool, as are super furries xxx ------------- 
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Posted By: Dazo
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 20:37
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 12:20
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Yeah I like furries, super! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: paulindigo
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 04:45
| Dr. Z came from North Wales |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 04 2005 at 10:55
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Another joke with sheep in it A man walks into his bedroom carrying a sheep. His wife is reading in bed. The man says, "This is the pig that I f**k when you've got a headache". His wife retorts, "I think you'll find that THAT is a sheep." The man replies, "I think you'll find that I was talking to the sheep." ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: AfanSpur
Date Posted: June 05 2005 at 05:58
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Super Furry Animals album Mwng is probably the best welsh language record ever. It is a classic psychedelic folk album worth it for the artwork alone. The web site is a great work of art as is the dvd for Phantom power. Saw them live and enjoyed, especially Gruff Rhys walking out with the outside power ranger helmet singing to Slow Life. Great show stopping end when the band dress up in yeti suits to rock to the man don't give a .....! a tribute to mssrs Bush and Blair Gorkis Zygotic Mynci are class too and also sing yng ymraeg in welsh. ------------- There stands Olias to outward to build a ship Holding within all we hope to retain The frame will be so built to challenge the universe Clasped with the skins of the fish of the plain |
Posted By: barbs
Date Posted: June 05 2005 at 08:13
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[QUOTE=wallace]Gnidrolog noo Welsh.
(Surrey metinks.)[/QUOTE 'For when thy labour doon al ys, And hast mad alle thy rekenynges, In stede of reste and newe thynges, Thou goost hom to they hous anoon: And, also domb as any stoon, Thou sittest at another book, Tyl fully daswed ys thy look... An excerpt from Chaucer for you Wallace It is said of him that like every true poet he was impelled to write but as a pastime did not take it to seriously. I thought of you when I read this.  ------------- Eternity |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: June 05 2005 at 11:43
Hey Snow Dog, I can imagine that if you fail to get the housework done and let the kids run rampant around the house, you won't be gettin any furries at all!! ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 05 2005 at 12:43
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...........(actually prefer unfurry anyway!)Posted By: AfanSpur
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 03:57
------------- There stands Olias to outward to build a ship Holding within all we hope to retain The frame will be so built to challenge the universe Clasped with the skins of the fish of the plain |
Dylan Thomas Page Posted By: barbs
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 04:49
If you read my post I never said he was speaking in an English dialect, I said it made me think of Chaucer from the way Wallace was construting his words. You said 'a sort of Scottish'. I don't think any of us could track down exactly what sort. Chaucer is pre 1400 so there is little resemblance to the English now to then as it is borrowed from many different sources. There is a book by David Crystal called The CambridgeEncyclopedia of the English Language. In that he talks about Scots English. If Wallace was writing in a truly old scottish dialect he would most likely be writing in Gaelic. However, the following extract is about THE BRUCE in scots english from the siege at Berwick. By the mid 1400s the two languages had diverged markedly due to Englands attempts at annexation. But before this, there was infact a sharing of dialect of which England was the main recipient I would think. Thar mycht men se a felloune sicht: With staffing, stoking, and striking Thar maid thai sturdy defending, For with gret strynth of men the pet Thai defendit, and stude tharat, Magre thair fais, quhill th nycht Gert thame on bath halfis leif the ficht. And, yes, I was aware that England and Wales are different. Are you a member of Cymdeithas yr laith Gymraeg ------------- Eternity |
Posted By: AfanSpur
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 06:54
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Barbs wrote............... Thar mycht men se a felloune sicht: Thanks Barbs, lovely poem, appreciate the comments. No not a member but sympathetic to all languages as culture and history are wrapped up in them.Would love to see Wales Scotland and Ireland, Cornwall and the Isle of man become bi lingual but could that happen? Maybe Wales but probably none of them, more's the pity
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Posted By: barbs
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 07:41
Cheers I agree. I love other languages
myself but I appear to be hopeless at trying to learn them. Should have
started when I was a kid. ------------- Eternity |
Posted By: InfinityCascade
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 08:30
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Has anyone said Funeral for a friend, Lostprophets (although not the disasterous new stuff), Million dead etc... Ok not exactly prog, but who cares. Couldn't think of any decent welsh prog bands + i'm not really into prog, i just come hear cos prog fans have a mental age similar to their actual age as a pose to most metal fans who don't know their arse from their elbow! ------------- While your reading signitures, your losing brain cells... The average internet geek spends three years reading signitures... Thankyou all for your brain cell donations... |
Posted By: barbs
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 08:34
Is that kind of a compliment  I think. Antarctica. Whats the weather like?Hawhat are you into apart from the above?? ------------- Eternity |
Posted By: InfinityCascade
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 08:48
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That was a compliment! Hey Barbs. Whats on the barbie? Just kidding! I'm mainly into bands like The Gathering, Lacuna Coil, (Gulp) Evanescence, Lostprophets, Cave in etc.. I dont think thats prog, but i'm confused cos it seems that what is and isn't prog is of constant debate on this site! U? and hows the weather down in oz? ------------- While your reading signitures, your losing brain cells... The average internet geek spends three years reading signitures... Thankyou all for your brain cell donations... |
Posted By: barbs
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 09:33
Is that Cave as in the 'Bad Seeds'? I like the Gathering. Do you like Muse, Nightwish or Opeth? My favourite bands are Yes, Deep Purple, Porcupine Tree, Dream Theatre (Porcupine Tree are awesome and so are DT cept some people either love or hate DT because of the prog debate but mainly because DT fans are fiercely loyal and there are many. they flood forums etc. I'm not a fanatic - to old for it - but I can see why they like them so much. I actually think that another prog metal band is a better example of prog than DT and that is Symphony X which I also think are excellent. But my favourite song is probably by DT called Home from their album Metropolis - Scenes from a memory. I have bought quite a few albums after downloading some sample songs for band reviews on the Progarchive site. As far as the debate goes about prog it will still rage I guess till the 'cows come home'. Good ol country Aussie expression.
My thoughts are that there is a definitive split between the modern
progressive rock movement and today which might be called postmodern
prog. To this degree I am only using terminology that modern
philosopher/sociologists use to label todays era. Quite a few old prog fans would see the best of prog being in the early 70s era or even earlier late 60s and lasting only a few years apart from a few bands such as King Crimson, generally considered by many to be the 'fathers' of prog. Prog is not the only stuff I'm into but I can't tell you that because the message would explode after your read it.  Joke of course but I like some jazz, blues, folk, classical.some recent excellent new bands I have been listening to are Dead Soul Tribe and Kamelot. The weather here is cold and gloomy - Tas - so not that far away - ------------- Eternity |
Posted By: InfinityCascade
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 10:03
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No cave in as in cave in! Great band and kind of experimental, although their most commercial release “Antenna” is still my favourite. I’m yet to hear anything by dream theatre, but seen as there are so many arguments over the band I can only assume that there must be something good about them. As for Opeth, I don’t mind them, but I’m not a big fan of the death metal style vocals, is Dream Theatre similar? On the early prog scene, I’m regrettably to young to remember and generally prefer newer artists, (as long as they continue to push the boundaries that’s fine by me!) The weathers not good where you are? Shame its 100 degrees hear!
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Posted By: barbs
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 10:20
I take your point on the weather. Like
if I said I was lying on the beach at Hamilton Island drinking pina
coladas at midnight I just thought it would have been cruel. Dream Theater are not really similar to Opeth. Hard to say. Lead guitarist is extremely fast and they have an excellent bass player. Metropolis is an excellent album to start with IMO as Train of thought was pretty heavy (metal) - an aquired taste. Im not a fan of death metal vocals either. I think its the Damnation album by Opeth that is generally very mellow and most natural vocals. Within Temptation? How would you describe them? Also Cave In (which isn't really a good name for someone who walks on the ice alot!!!  What are you fav songs??For prog try Yes 'Close to the Edge". Its a classic of prog rock Also Porcupine Tree - In Absentia - You can't really miss with them - I'd be really surprised if you didn't love at least one of those albums after one or two turns ------------- Eternity |
Posted By: InfinityCascade
Date Posted: June 07 2005 at 11:09
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Soz barbs, gotta run. Iv got the dogs to round up! Thanks for all the advice. Who knows, this could be the start of a musical adventure trip. I hope your not sat around drinking pina coladas! I would be sooooo jealous! ------------- While your reading signitures, your losing brain cells... The average internet geek spends three years reading signitures... Thankyou all for your brain cell donations... |
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