What genre is prog's foe ? - Progressive Rock Music Forum

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‘What genre is the antipole of prog?’
Probably schlager.

The punk and disco options are ridiculous imho and only really make sense to peeps that believe ‘the press’ is informed and furthermore leaks said info along to us without colouring it in a certain way.
The Sex Pistols, whilst not exactly the biggest Floyd fans, were very much into Van Der Graaf Generator and a whole host of other prog bands

Edith: here in Denmark though Schlager is called Dansktop…but it’s the same stuff.

Edited by Guldbamsen - March 21 2022 at 03:29

“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”

- Douglas Adams

Yeah, punk was never prog's foe - not even in the '70s. That was a complete media fabrication, that didn't really match the reality at all. It made a good story, though.

There are definite cross-overs between punk and prog, and have been from the off-set. And there was certainly a mutual respect and admiration between many punk and prog musicians in the '70s. (Not all, obviously, and it was the detractors the media pounced upon. It's easy, for example, to make fun of Yes.)

As punk became post-punk, it became even more prog than some of it already had been. And while punk exists still, it tends to be vastly different from punk then - simply because, especially in the UK, punk was as much a culture as it was a genre. A lot of early American punk was actually pretty much the equivalent of prog music of the US (as discussed in the American prog thread).

I don't think it's really possible for any genre to be a foe to prog, simply because prog isn't a genre in itself, and can exist within any genre. I am quite sure one could find examples of prog in every "genre" given in the poll.

I think the biggest foe to prog is probably actually prog itself - it is its own worst enemy. Or, at least, the gatekeeping and infighting of its fans are its enemy. Potentially, some might say that the rise of retro-prog is the foe of prog. I don't think that's necessarily so, as there can still be some really innovative and original sounds made under that label - but certainly a lot of retro-prog does nothing to help the image of prog in the eyes of those who don't know much about it.

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[W]hen the Sex Pistols members Johnny Rotten, Paul Cook and Steve Jones at some point all shared on stage in a Pink Floyd T-shirt with the words ”I HATE” on top he immediately turned Pink Floyd to a love-to-hate example among not only the working class sub cultures like Punk but also among many ”established” intellectuals and music critics.

Suddenly it became haute couture to like Punk and to dislike sophisticated and talented, really talented, bands in general and Pink Floyd in particular. As critic Stuart Berman had written; ”Pink Floyd represented everything Punk was not: musically skilled, conceptually ambitious, filthy rich, tastefully bearded.”

From: When the Sex Pistols Members Shared Their Famous T-shirt Reading “I HATE PINK FLOYD” in the 1970s | Vintage News Daily

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Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Never thought music was a competition. There is no foe in any musical genre.

Never knew tear-jerkers was a musical genre.

It is, at least in the Netherlands, where the OP comes from. We knew it as smartlap, named after a sheet with the lyrics that was displayed to give the audience a chance to sing a long. Nowadays the term levenslied (song of life) is more often used, referencing to simple songs that appeal to primitive feelings, held in esteem mostly by people with a lower intellectual level. It is not hard to understand why this genre was added to the list.

Edited by someone_else - March 17 2022 at 15:07

Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Psychedelic Paul wrote:

I chose Punk even before I saw the options. Punk Rock lasted all of two years but Prog Rock lives on forever. Smile

Punk lasted more than two years and still lives on. Ever heard of Green Day?

Punk Rock only lasted about two years in England before it fizzled out like a damp squib. Never mind the *******, Johnny Rotten of the Sex Pistols is now reduced to selling Country Life butter to scrape a living. Tongue

I chose Punk even before I saw the options. Punk Rock lasted all of two years but Prog Rock lives on forever. Smile

This was, I think, an interesting topic which I saw being looked at in the Active Users list (I like that list for seeing old topics I had forgotten about or never seen). I still think that Prog is commonly the hybridization of genres and so due to its incorporative qualities other enemies are not the enemy to Prog, but instead like with the Borg, to be assimilated (which if drawing out that analogy would make a Prog an enemy to the genres, but I don’t think the genres care). I also think that Prog as a genre can be the enemy of progressive rock, as once we accept Prog as a genre we can start imposing limits on it which limits how far rock can progress from canonical expectations and thereby Prog may not be a truly progressive genre in the sense of always changing, moving forward, adapting and being an open world. Gorp, which is my term for backwards Prog (regressive rock) could also be seen as the enemy if it were an accepted genre. Retro Rock is a common label, but actually I think you can be both retro and progressive. I think one can look to and borrow from the past while also moving towards the future, and in fact I think that is important. Prog to my mind tends to be more innovative than originative.

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Poll Question: What music genre is the antipole of our beloved prog ?
Poll Choice	Votes	Poll Statistics
Punk	30	[37.97%]
R&B	2	[2.53%]
Dance	1	[1.27%]
Hip Hop (incl Rap)	27	[34.18%]
Tear-jerkers	0	[0.00%]
Country	7	[8.86%]
Thrash metal	1	[1.27%]
Pop music	2	[2.53%]
Reggae	1	[1.27%]
Soul	0	[0.00%]
Disco	3	[3.80%]
other	5	[6.33%]
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