Random useless poll: how many albums have DT made? |
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The Block
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Topic: Random useless poll: how many albums have DT made? Posted: November 14 2009 at 08:31 |
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All I know is that Octavarium was the eighth. No more needs to be said. Edited by The Block - November 14 2009 at 08:31 |
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jammun
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Posted: November 13 2009 at 21:51 | |||||
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Brownies in the basin...
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Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |
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J-Man
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Posted: November 13 2009 at 18:57 | |||||
And, even worse, you called this "Random Useless Poll"
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J-Man
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Posted: November 13 2009 at 18:56 | |||||
I have a problem with the countless DT polls, but this one is so pointless and is simply a waste of my time. There's Octavarium, which is their eighth album, there's Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence as their sixth album. Dude, it's an EP. Not an studio album. There's a difference...
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Roland113
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Posted: November 13 2009 at 18:49 | |||||
Seriously? Three pages on this one? Wow.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: November 13 2009 at 18:32 | |||||
A Change OF Seasons is certainly the longest "EP" I have ever had and in fact I always considered it an album proper myself until I found out that DT and the rcord company considered it an EP. I was truly quite dismayed! But as the eighth album is called Octavarium (not including ACOS in the discog) that truly shows the band don't consider it an album.
Truth is they had the ACOS song but didn't know what to do with it. If it was the only track on the disc would you consider it more of an EP? They could have released it like that for sure. Its late...I'm rambling...and I don't even remember what point I was trying to make anymore. Goodnight.
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Logan
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Posted: November 13 2009 at 18:05 | |||||
My OED is in part... To be more specific, I was using my Oxford English Reference dictionary.
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Dean
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Posted: November 13 2009 at 17:33 | |||||
As you say, it's semantics now since all are recorded onto the same media - you cannot tell just by looking at the 120mm disc of aluminium coated polycarbonate what the format it is and while people try and set some definitions, it's really down to what the artist or record company decides to market it as is the only valid definition for any particular release... which when they stop making hard-copy versions will all be academic anyway.
CoS is an oddity at all levels - it only has 5 tracks, only 1 of them is studio, the other 4 are a) live and b) covers and 3 of those are medleys ... on the back cover those live tracks are listed as 'Additional' material (effectively you bought the 23 minute studio track and got the live stuff free... bonus!) ... at 57 minutes it's longer than most LPs. (Personally I don't see medleys as anything more than disposable promo material, but that's not a universal definition )
The one studio track at 23 minutes is also longer than some LPs but by the UK definition it could technically count as a CD single (ie between 10 and 28 minutes of music), so without the live tracks it could still qualify as a CD Single, an EP or a single track LP - if the live tracks are counted as "bonus" then that still holds true. DT and Atlantic Records chose to call it an EP and we file it under Official Singles, EPs, Fan Club & Promo (CD, Vinyl/LP, Cassette, MP3, Digital Media Download) accordingly.
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Logan
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Posted: November 13 2009 at 16:25 | |||||
Very interesting Dean. I think I had heard about the relation to photograph albums. I've looked up my fairly trusty, yet woefully incomplete, OED and it refers to a music album as a long-playing gramophone record or a compact disc or tape having several pieces of music. Under the second definition, I believe that Change of Seasons could count as an album as I think it does have several pieces of music. Anyway, thanks Ian and Dean -- learn something new every day.
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Padraic
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Posted: November 13 2009 at 16:06 | |||||
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jampa17
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Posted: November 13 2009 at 16:04 | |||||
The album is just fine... many many new prog fans have taking the prog habbits cause of that album... 4 stars album for me... maybe not their best, but surely a good one...
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: November 13 2009 at 15:58 | |||||
Black Clouds shouldn't count on the count of it's so terrible.
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jampa17
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Posted: November 13 2009 at 15:19 | |||||
What do you mean with that...???
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progkidjoel
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Posted: November 13 2009 at 14:27 | |||||
Only one:
Awake |
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 13 2009 at 14:20 | |||||
I'm thinking they made all the ones that they did and what it is, too...
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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rushfan4
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Posted: November 13 2009 at 13:55 | |||||
Ugh, I missed your initial post. Sorry.
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Dean
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Posted: November 13 2009 at 13:50 | |||||
^ you could try reading my explanation in Ian, Greg and Alex's quote pyramid
but to add further - everything is referenced back to the first commercially available recorded discs - the 78
These 10" disc made of a shellac compound held 3 minutes of music on each side and spun around at 78 revolutions per minute. A collection of these were housed in a folder like a photograph album - hence the name "album" for a collection of recordings. The size of an Album depended upon how many 78 records were sold in the set.
Tecnical developments and the invention of vinyl created the microgroove that allowed for more music to be stored on the same size disc, also to achieve the same level of fidelity the rotational speed could be reduced. Therefore what could be recorded onto a 10" disc could now be recorded onto a 7" one going at 45 rpm. This also meant that an album could now be recorded onto a single disc - and the 12" LP was created ... the Long Play coming from the fact that it was a larger disc and played at an even slower speed. These 12 disc were limited to about 23 minutes of music per side - hence setting the length of an album at 45 minutes. (later developments, such as limiting the volume of the audio signal stretched this to about 30 minutes a side, but at a loss in quality)
However, some bright spark realised that a 7" disc could also contain more than the traditional 3 minutes of music, so the EP was born.
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rushfan4
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Posted: November 13 2009 at 13:36 | |||||
I never quite got the concept of extended play (EP) versus Long Play (LP). I assume that EP means extended as opposed to a single or a 45? Otherwise, couldn't extended mean long. i.e. an extended bridge can be long.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: November 13 2009 at 13:32 | |||||
EP's have never been called albums to my knowledge.
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Logan
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Posted: November 13 2009 at 13:18 | |||||
I don't know if DT considers it an album or a non-album, so I'll take your word for it, Ian. But even if they don't consider it to be an album doesn't mean they hold the ultimate truth, or the only possible truth (semantics). They can call a cat a dog if they want to. I didn't work it out, I've, for as long as I remember, considered EPs, LPs, compilation and live albums (duh) to be albums, and perhaps I should have said that, according to the terminology I'm familiar with, it is a kind of album. What I can't wrap my brain around is why "it clearly isn't" and would appreciate an explanation of why you think it is so obvious. |
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