Random useless poll: how many albums have DT made?
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Topic: Random useless poll: how many albums have DT made?
Posted By: paganinio
Subject: Random useless poll: how many albums have DT made?
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 05:47
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Random useless trivia: Is Changes of Seasons an album or an EP? The answer: (spoilers ahead, don't read the answer if you wanna play fair.) Official website says it's an EP! Congratulations to the people who voted for the correct answers! (The first and the fifth options are both correct.) Shame on the people who cheated. |
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 05:57
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*sigh* ------------- What? |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 06:17
------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Dean wrote:Posted By: The Sleepwalker
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 06:23
| Who are DT? |
Posted By: mono
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 07:11
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Posted By: johnobvious
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 09:08
I'll be tracking the results of this one. How it turns out could alter the face of all humanity.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 09:17
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Octavarium is the 8th album..you work it out. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 09:29
| An EP is an album. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 09:32
I don't know how you worked that one out. It clearly isn't. Thats why they had LP's and EP's...to distringuish them. Surely the word LP was exchaged for the word album while Vinyl was still the format? I'll answer...yes it was. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 09:33
I vote only because he takes the time to make a joke using a name of a song and an album... I'm sure he spend the night thinking on the poll... so, great man...!!! you almost got me..!!!  ------------- |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 09:37
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ACoS is an EP ... 'nuff said. ;-)
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 09:39
The EP is a short album but it's an album nonetheless. The opposite of the album is the single, not the EP. Here's Wikipedia: According to the rules of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Album_Chart - UK Charts , a recording counts as an "album" if either it has more than four tracks or lasts more than 25 minutes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_album#cite_note-2 - [3] Sometimes shorter albums are referred to as EPs, an abbreviation of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_play - extended play , "extended" meaning longer than a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_%28music%29 - single but shorter than an http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Play - LP . The term "mini-album" may also be used. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 09:46
DT don't count it as an album, so its up to them. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 09:54
And also, more than the half of the album is material recorded live, so it's not by any means a studio album... it's and Extended Played, which means, it's not part of the formal Albums... ------------- |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 10:01
I don't agree with them, I can't see it as an EP. It's true though that in time the EP gained a cultural "meaning" (i.e. it should material not to become the subject of a proper "long play" album). 80 minutes of "secondary" material is still an album, even if it's of the "compilation" kind. |
Posted By: paganinio
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 10:07
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Your vote is appreciated. You inspired me to post something meaningful tonight. |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 10:08
| Go paganino! You are my poll hero. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 10:09
Either way it does not qualify as a Studio Album even by our standards (hence my *sigh*). As Ian says DT can call it whatever they like.
Traditionally an EP was a 7" vinyl played at 33rpm or a 7" vinyl at 45rpm with compressed dynamic range to achieve the "Extended" part of the Extended Play name. in the mid 70s when 12" vinyl 45s were popular the BRMB decided that the tracks had to be different songs to qualify as a single for chart purposes (ie not just remixes of the one song), the same went for EPs so singles with more than two tracks became either EPs or extended Singles or maxi Singles.
There is no modern equivalent and the term is somewhat outmoded, but it underwent a minor revival in the 90s with indie bands as they were cheaper to record than a whole album, but offered more than just a single - the term mini-album or MCD appears around that time too with EPs like Mayhem's Wolf's Lair Abyss being classed by the record company as an MCD when it was originally released. ------------- What? |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 10:20
------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 10:39
Doubting Thomas, of course... ------------- |
Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 10:40
Dog Turd. You'll be glad to know that's my last attempt of DT joke. I voted the fourth option. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 11:35
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Raise your hand if you want Paganinio to be issued a poll-creating restraining order... ------------- 
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 11:43
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seventeenth row down, 56th from the right.... is his hand up or down?
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 11:48
 unanimous support... -------------
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Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 11:51
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I guess it's a democratic win... hail to... eehh... what's his name...??? ------------- |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 12:29
I don't know, but one of them is called Wally. ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 13:18
I don't know if DT considers it an album or a non-album, so I'll take your word for it, Ian. But even if they don't consider it to be an album doesn't mean they hold the ultimate truth, or the only possible truth (semantics). They can call a cat a dog if they want to. I didn't work it out, I've, for as long as I remember, considered EPs, LPs, compilation and live albums (duh) to be albums, and perhaps I should have said that, according to the terminology I'm familiar with, it is a kind of album. What I can't wrap my brain around is why "it clearly isn't" and would appreciate an explanation of why you think it is so obvious. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 13:32
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EP's have never been called albums to my knowledge. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 13:36
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I never quite got the concept of extended play (EP) versus Long Play (LP). I assume that EP means extended as opposed to a single or a 45? Otherwise, couldn't extended mean long. i.e. an extended bridge can be long. ------------- 
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 13:50
^ you could try reading my explanation in Ian, Greg and Alex's quote pyramid 
but to add further - everything is referenced back to the first commercially available recorded discs - the 78
These 10" disc made of a shellac compound held 3 minutes of music on each side and spun around at 78 revolutions per minute. A collection of these were housed in a folder like a photograph album - hence the name "album" for a collection of recordings. The size of an Album depended upon how many 78 records were sold in the set.
Tecnical developments and the invention of vinyl created the microgroove that allowed for more music to be stored on the same size disc, also to achieve the same level of fidelity the rotational speed could be reduced. Therefore what could be recorded onto a 10" disc could now be recorded onto a 7" one going at 45 rpm. This also meant that an album could now be recorded onto a single disc - and the 12" LP was created ... the Long Play coming from the fact that it was a larger disc and played at an even slower speed. These 12 disc were limited to about 23 minutes of music per side - hence setting the length of an album at 45 minutes. (later developments, such as limiting the volume of the audio signal stretched this to about 30 minutes a side, but at a loss in quality)
However, some bright spark realised that a 7" disc could also contain more than the traditional 3 minutes of music, so the EP was born.
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 13:55
Ugh, I missed your initial post. Sorry. -------------
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 14:20
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I'm thinking they made all the ones that they did and what it is, too...
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 14:27
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Only one:
Awake ------------- 
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Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 15:19
What do you mean with that...???  ------------- |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 15:58
| Black Clouds shouldn't count on the count of it's so terrible. |
Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 16:04
The album is just fine... many many new prog fans have taking the prog habbits cause of that album... 4 stars album for me... maybe not their best, but surely a good one... ------------- |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 16:06
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 16:25
| Very interesting Dean. I think I had heard about the relation to photograph albums. I've looked up my fairly trusty, yet woefully incomplete, OED and it refers to a music album as a long-playing gramophone record or a compact disc or tape having several pieces of music. Under the second definition, I believe that Change of Seasons could count as an album as I think it does have several pieces of music. Anyway, thanks Ian and Dean -- learn something new every day. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 17:33
As you say, it's semantics now since all are recorded onto the same media - you cannot tell just by looking at the 120mm disc of aluminium coated polycarbonate what the format it is and while people try and set some definitions, it's really down to what the artist or record company decides to market it as is the only valid definition for any particular release... which when they stop making hard-copy versions will all be academic anyway.
CoS is an oddity at all levels - it only has 5 tracks, only 1 of them is studio, the other 4 are a) live and b) covers and 3 of those are medleys ... on the back cover those live tracks are listed as 'Additional' material (effectively you bought the 23 minute studio track and got the live stuff free... bonus!) ... at 57 minutes it's longer than most LPs. (Personally I don't see medleys as anything more than disposable promo material, but that's not a universal definition
)The one studio track at 23 minutes is also longer than some LPs but by the UK definition it could technically count as a CD single (ie between 10 and 28 minutes of music), so without the live tracks it could still qualify as a CD Single, an EP or a single track LP - if the live tracks are counted as "bonus" then that still holds true. DT and Atlantic Records chose to call it an EP and we file it under Official Singles, EPs, Fan Club & Promo (CD, Vinyl/LP, Cassette, MP3, Digital Media Download) accordingly. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 18:05
| My OED is in part... To be more specific, I was using my Oxford English Reference dictionary. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 18:32
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A Change OF Seasons is certainly the longest "EP" I have ever had and in fact I always considered it an album proper myself until I found out that DT and the rcord company considered it an EP. I was truly quite dismayed! But as the eighth album is called Octavarium (not including ACOS in the discog) that truly shows the band don't consider it an album. Truth is they had the ACOS song but didn't know what to do with it. If it was the only track on the disc would you consider it more of an EP? They could have released it like that for sure. Its late...I'm rambling...and I don't even remember what point I was trying to make anymore. Goodnight. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 18:49
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Seriously? Three pages on this one? Wow.
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 18:56
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I have a problem with the countless DT polls, but this one is so pointless and is simply a waste of my time. There's Octavarium, which is their eighth album, there's Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence as their sixth album. Dude, it's an EP. Not an studio album. There's a difference... Well, that was 2 minutes of my life wasted.... ------------- 
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 18:57
And, even worse, you called this "Random Useless Poll"
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 21:51
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Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: November 14 2009 at 08:31
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?????
All I know is that Octavarium was the eighth. No more needs to be said. -------------  |