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topofsm 
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 Topic: Music vs. Cover Art & Booklet
Posted: June 16 2009 at 19:13 |
Seriously, I don't know anyone in my town who regularly listens to albums all the way through. I'm the only one.
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: June 16 2009 at 15:32 |
Many new bands are releasing EPs these days. Of course they don't get a lot of attention. But add two songs more and you suddenly have a LP. That's what I would do as a new band today ... publish an album with about 35 minutes worth of high quality music and publish it on all the major download stores. It would be 3-4 tracks, so it would be really affordable on eMusic.com or Amazon. And since it's longer than 30 minutes, I could call it an LP. 
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Diaby
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Posted: June 16 2009 at 15:23 |
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^very good joke
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yeah
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: June 16 2009 at 14:15 |
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^ There's also the EP ...
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Diaby
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Posted: June 16 2009 at 14:12 |
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^okay, dying was just a bad expression. Of course it couldn't die because that's the only standard way to release more songs at once.
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: June 16 2009 at 14:10 |
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^ for most mainstream artists this strategy is actually valid ... you don't need the full albums.
I'm very sure that the album will continue to exist for a long time - as long as there are fans of serious, artistic music.
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Diaby
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Posted: June 16 2009 at 13:58 |
You've completely misunderstood what I said. I spoke about mankind in generality, NOT about progheads. WE are the very few I wrote about.
The boys and girls in my age do know lots of bands, but only the "hits" from every and each. They download those ones and ignore everything else what the band have done. MOST of the people couldn't sit down and listen to an entire album. They don't even know what's the name of the album the songs are off.
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el dingo
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Posted: June 16 2009 at 05:06 |
 Mr ProgFreak wrote:
In the last few days I've been thinking about it a lot, and I've made a decision: I'll buy downloads instead of CDs from now on. The music is much more important than the cover art or booklet for me, especially since even with downloads I also get the cover art in the media player. Of course it's nice to be able to hold the CD in your hand and read the booklet, but the music is simply much more important to me. I'll still be buying vinyl releases for the collectors value and nostalgia, or limited editions on CD when they also contain a DVD or DVD-Audio version of the album, but the bulk of my purchases from now on will be MP3s.
What do you think about it?
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You've made the right decision IMO - what you propose is exactly what I've been doing for some time
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It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough.
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: June 16 2009 at 01:26 |
The T wrote:
Petrovsk Mizinski wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
Our homes definitely would be less "home" if it was all on the computer.
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No, just your home
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No... our homes
Really.... how will the future house be? Instead of shelves with books, records, movies, all there will be is.. a laptop... Instead of sharing art with a friend (in the hypothetical and improbable case that future generations even understand the concept of a physical friend) everything will be just for the individual....
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I rather think that in future houses there will be much larger displays/TVs. It's no problem to view them together with a (physical) friend. I also think that sharing art will be a lot easier, even today the friend can bring an USB stick and copy your music (In Germany that's legal).
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: June 16 2009 at 01:24 |
BaldFriede wrote:
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
^ come on, it works fine for many prog albums. Even
on an album like Dark Side of the Moon I can choose to listen to Money
only ...
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There is a big difference between "there are some albums I don't listen
to in the whole because only some songs interest me" and "there are only very few who can listen to an album from the first minute to the last".
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you also said "What do you think the people on this forum do? Pick only one song from
an album and then switch to the next? I sincerely doubt that." and that was what I'm replying to. I usually listen to albums from start to finish, but sometimes I'll also listen to a few songs and then move to the next album. That way I can listen to several artists even if I only have half an hour spare time.
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The T
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Posted: June 15 2009 at 21:01 |
Petrovsk Mizinski wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
Our homes definitely would be less "home" if it was all on the computer.
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No, just your home
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No... our homes
Really.... how will the future house be? Instead of shelves with books, records, movies, all there will be is.. a laptop... Instead of sharing art with a friend (in the hypothetical and improbable case that future generations even understand the concept of a physical friend) everything will be just for the individual....
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BaldFriede
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Posted: June 15 2009 at 17:03 |
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
^ come on, it works fine for many prog albums. Even
on an album like Dark Side of the Moon I can choose to listen to Money
only ...
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There is a big difference between "there are some albums I don't listen
to in the whole because only some songs interest me" and "there are only very few who can listen to an album from the first minute to the last".
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 BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue.
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Rocktopus
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Posted: June 15 2009 at 16:24 |
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
^ come on, it works fine for many prog albums. Even on an album like Dark Side of the Moon I can choose to listen to Money only ...
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The one I'd choose to skip.
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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Dean
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Posted: June 15 2009 at 16:18 |
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^ one track off Light of Day, Day of Darkness is enough for me...
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What?
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: June 15 2009 at 16:00 |
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^ come on, it works fine for many prog albums. Even on an album like Dark Side of the Moon I can choose to listen to Money only ...
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BaldFriede
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Posted: June 15 2009 at 15:47 |
Diaby wrote:
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
Diaby wrote:
I've mentioned a lot recently, that I'd NEVER pay for downloads. That'd not be part of my collection. If I could, I would destroy the possibility of legal music downloading (non-free).
The booklet and the artwork are at least 25% of the fan, by the way. |
So if I buy the download that makes me a lesser fan? Maybe because the download costs less? Ok, I could see that ... but I'm also getting less "overhead". Today booklet and cover art are often (but not always) done by artist who have very little connection to the band. I'd speculate that sometimes even the record label has a big word in what the album will look like, since it greatly affects the sales.
I think that it's quite ok to not put the cover art and plastic case (face it, "jewel case" is a euphemism) on that high a pedestal.
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You're not a lesser fan even if you can't afford buying anything and download illegally. But this "paying individually for tracks" gives more strength to the attitude towards music today: if I heard a song yesterday on the radio, I go and download it, without knowing anything 'bout the artist and the ALBUM (which format is dying, there are only very few who can listen to an album from the first minute to the last). |
What world are you living in? Only very few can listen to an album from the first minute to the last? What do you think the people on this forum do? Pick only one song from an album and then switch to the next? I sincerely doubt that.
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BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue.
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Diaby
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Posted: June 15 2009 at 15:38 |
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
Diaby wrote:
I've mentioned a lot recently, that I'd NEVER pay for downloads. That'd not be part of my collection. If I could, I would destroy the possibility of legal music downloading (non-free).
The booklet and the artwork are at least 25% of the fan, by the way. |
So if I buy the download that makes me a lesser fan? Maybe because the download costs less? Ok, I could see that ... but I'm also getting less "overhead". Today booklet and cover art are often (but not always) done by artist who have very little connection to the band. I'd speculate that sometimes even the record label has a big word in what the album will look like, since it greatly affects the sales.
I think that it's quite ok to not put the cover art and plastic case (face it, "jewel case" is a euphemism) on that high a pedestal.
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You're not a lesser fan even if you can't afford buying anything and download illegally. But this "paying individually for tracks" gives more strength to the attitude towards music today: if I heard a song yesterday on the radio, I go and download it, without knowing anything 'bout the artist and the ALBUM (which format is dying, there are only very few who can listen to an album from the first minute to the last).
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yeah
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: June 15 2009 at 15:17 |
Dean wrote:
There is a difference between stochastic noise, impulse noise and repetitive noise and how they interact with the listening experience. The human brain is capable of blocking out repetitive noise such as a whirring fan - the problem for listening to music is that process will also filter out much of the music content at the same time. |
My old computer had a small fan on the mainboard ... it was *so* annoying because it would emit a high pitch tinnitus-like sound that would vary subtly (it would shift pitch/phase). When I bought the new computer I made sure that the mainboard didn't have a fan.
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: June 15 2009 at 15:15 |
Diaby wrote:
I've mentioned a lot recently, that I'd NEVER pay for downloads. That'd not be part of my collection. If I could, I would destroy the possibility of legal music downloading (non-free).
The booklet and the artwork are at least 25% of the fan, by the way. |
So if I buy the download that makes me a lesser fan? Maybe because the download costs less? Ok, I could see that ... but I'm also getting less "overhead". Today booklet and cover art are often (but not always) done by artist who have very little connection to the band. I'd speculate that sometimes even the record label has a big word in what the album will look like, since it greatly affects the sales. I think that it's quite ok to not put the cover art and plastic case (face it, "jewel case" is a euphemism) on that high a pedestal.
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Dean
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Posted: June 15 2009 at 15:15 |
BaldFriede wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
^ I hated the fan noise of my previous PC ... so with my current one I made sure that it's very silent, and so far I'm really happy with it. Of course it's not 100% silent - but then again when you listen to vinyls it's not completely silent either. Usually I listen at a decent volume, so that noise in the room is negligible. BTW: My refrigerator is louder than my PC ...
As a side note: People are different. I can tolerate the noise of my computer, but I'll be annoyed when I watch a movie with friends or in a theater, and someone eats popcorn.
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Crap, will we ever be able to win the war against external noise sources? I swear when it comes to speakers, it's the stand up fan, the attic fan, or the computer fan. Come to think of it fans are probably the bane of most prog fans. Headphones are your friend.
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You can't be secure from external noises unless you are on the moon with your CD-player and listen to the music with headphones. And even then the sound of your own breathing might disturb you, so there is only one solution (sound of gunshot).
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There is a difference between stochastic noise, impulse noise and repetitive noise and how they interact with the listening experience. The human brain is capable of blocking out repetitive noise such as a whirring fan - the problem for listening to music is that process will also filter out much of the music content at the same time.
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What?
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