Music vs. Cover Art & Booklet
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Topic: Music vs. Cover Art & Booklet
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Subject: Music vs. Cover Art & Booklet
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 09:36
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In the last few days I've been thinking about it a lot, and I've made a decision: I'll buy downloads instead of CDs from now on. The music is much more important than the cover art or booklet for me, especially since even with downloads I also get the cover art in the media player. Of course it's nice to be able to hold the CD in your hand and read the booklet, but the music is simply much more important to me. I'll still be buying vinyl releases for the collectors value and nostalgia, or limited editions on CD when they also contain a DVD or DVD-Audio version of the album, but the bulk of my purchases from now on will be MP3s. What do you think about it?  ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 09:47
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I prefer CDs because I like the physical product, but I think CDs will be an obsolete media very soon.
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 09:52
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The music of course is more important, I don't think anybody buys albums just so that they can look at the cover, but the artwork and the actual object are to me so very important, that I'm appalled by the idea of buying just the files and a microscopic image of the front cover to appear in my Ipod.
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 10:30
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I think that in order to vote in this poll, you could ask yourself: I I was forced to chose between the music and the artwork/booklet, which would I keep? Of course most people would chose the music in that case. IMO it's ironic then that many of those people still reject downloads, even if they're at a lower price than the CD. Or put it this way: Given the choice between three albums as MP3 and one CD with booklet and artwork for the same price ... I chose downloads, because they contain the most important part of the albums. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 10:36
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^In the latter case I think I'd still choose cds. All new innovations are evil, I'm an old fashioned guy afraid of change. But perhaps some day I run out of space for all the albums and I'm forced to buy digital music. There's a massive stack of new purchases right next to me at this very moment, luckily there's still room for them on our wall of sound... ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA!
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Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 10:37
| CD's all the way , I ll never pay for a file. |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 10:38
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I have a 1000 CD cabinet, and it's full. I'm not buying another one ...
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 10:40
CDs contain files. Files contain music. The music is what the whole album is actually about. Cover art was invented in the 50s/60s to promote the music ... for some albums the cover art and the music form a coherent work of art, but the music always works on its own as well. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
crimson87 wrote:Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 10:41
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When I moved in with my girlfriend we bought a custom made cd&dvd shelf, the dvd area is pretty much full now but there's still room for some hundreds of cds. I think we measured it for about 2000 cds. ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA!
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 10:47
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^ nice! But what do you need the CDs for? I mean compared to MP3s. I have about 1000 CDs, but I never take them out of the cabinet. When I want to listen to one, I just browse for it in Winamp. The cover art is in there too ... what more do I need to listen to - and enjoy - the music? I know how you feel ... I've been collecting CDs for all my life. But be honest: Who will be impressed by your CD collection? The more you have, the weirder you'll seem to other people who aren't into music that much. Let's face it, the only one who benefits from that collection is you ... you can sit in front of it and be impressed. Well, it's not working for me anymore ... I'll probably keep the collection, now that I have it ... but when it comes to expanding it, I'll definitely save both space and money and go for downloads. I think that once you accept that the musical content of CDs and MP3s is the same, the decision is relatively easy. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 10:55
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Nearly all of my music is downloaded, not in CD form. I want music for the product; I don't care about packaging.
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 11:11
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 11:30
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For some albums the booklet is absolutely necessary. Take for example Nik Turner's "Xitintoday"; without the booklet you would be truly lost. And the booklet is a real joy to behold too. I definitely would not want that album without booklet, although it is in my top three favourite albums of all time. -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 11:32
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And with Giant for a Day, you got a mask!
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 11:34
^ that's a nice gimmick ... but that's all, in my opinion.
------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 11:36
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Not to mention that there are probably a lot of albums which simply can not be downloaded, just because they are not popular enough.
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 11:36
So you couldn't listen to the album without the "directions" from the booklet? I'd like to try ... and I would, if the album wasn't so obscure (as in: out of print). In this day and age I would make up for the missing booklet by going to the various pages on the internet ... wikipedia, progarchives, progfreak  ... ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 11:38
That's not the point; you could listen to it without the direction, and it would still be great music. But to fully understand it you need the information from the booklet. And, as already stated, the booklet is an absolute gem. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 11:41
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^ absolutely. I'm not saying that I won't be buying a single CD anymore, or that I can't appreciate extraordinary booklets or cover art. But on the whole I'll prefer downloads from now on ... also because I simply don't have the budget for buying a dozen CDs each month.
------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 11:53
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Its kind of a stupid poll MIke. Who on earth buys a CD just for the cover/ booklet? I understand the intention of the poll, but the question is flawed. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 11:56
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^ maybe so. I wouldn't call it "stupid" though ... but of course nobody can't seriously vote for choice #2. Call it a rhethorical poll then, with the inherent message being that the actual music is always more important than the artwork. I guess the next question is: Could you let go of the concept of having the physical cover art / booklet and instead have downloads and all the cover art and booklet information accessible via the internet? ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 12:04
In the 70s my elder brother bought a lot of albums just because he liked the cover art, and many a discovery of his was made that way. However, the number of available albums then was about as big as the number of monthly new publications today; the music industry expanded immensely. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 12:04
^^Well I said "kind of stupid" not actually in fact stupid. I was being nice. But.......some CDs I will keep buying because I have the rest by that band.......for example Dream Theater, but otherwise, I guess, downloading is ok. Put it this way. I prefer Cds, but the music on those CDs is obviously more important than the booklet. Havibg said that, if the booklet gets dammaged or wet..........I AM DEVESTATED!!!!!!!!   No....................its true.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 12:08
Sigh What I mean is......who buys an album just for the cover, and not to find out what the music is like. Obviously a cover may interest you. And lead you to buy the album...containing music. But its the music thats important. Do I have to expand on every statement?  Sheesh...you are hard work! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 12:10
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^ back in the nineties I lost about 150 vinyl albums because they got wet in the basement (a water pipe leaked). So I know first hand how it feels to lose part of your collection. BTW: I was thinking about the new DT album that's about to be released. I think I'll buy it as a download, even though I have all their other albums on CD. I'm breaking with my tradition ... ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 12:15
I can't do it I'm afraid....I have to have the CD. Regarding the price of CDs. I only normally buy them at sale or rduced prices anyway...so.... My cat pissed on my albums.......they stunk bad for a while......  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 12:21
To give an answer to your question: I have been reading a lot of books online lately, and while it is a great thing that this is possible (for free even), it is somehow not the same for me, simply because my favourite reading position is on my belly, with a book in front, and to top it with Jean by my side, reading together. To do that with a computer I would have to switch to laptop, and it still would not be quite the same. But I am quite certain that for future generations this will not be a problem at all. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 16:53
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Really... the question is kind of..... There's no way I'd buy an album just for the booklet and not the music... please.... wrong alternatives....
But there's no way I will ever change to downloading unless I'm forced to by anihilation of the CD... I like to have a collection I can SEE.... and I can SHARE with other people... in my HOUSE, presenty, not just "share" over a network.... I hate that de=personalizing factor of MP3... killing social life completely.... now everybody is a walking zombie with headphones plugged in their ears minding about nothing but his "lown sh*t".... ------------- 
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 16:55
What he said  . I know having a large CD collection (as we have now) poses lots of problems as regards space, but in my view it's all worth it. And I also share Friede's sentiments about reading e-books... I can read articles on the web, but NOTHING for me will ever replace the pleasure of reading an actual, material book or magazine - especially when curled up on the couch, or lying in bed. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 16:59
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With books, too. I like a physical book, one I can discuss with a friend, having the book in my hand, not in a stupid laptop that kills all the magic...
Laptops are slowly turning into the real world other people live in... what a small place they inhabit.... -------------
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 17:03
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Does no one care about my cat's piss albums?
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 17:17
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 17:51
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I'm with Teo, its' a complete package for me too. No way I could ever switch to downloads. Actually, I go for LP minis whenever available. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 20:47
That happened to my albums a while back too - our alpha-tom decided to mark his teritory by spraying my prized collection. I had the bugger neutered for that
 I don't see why they can't put one of those tacky little acrylic CD things in a nice 12" gatefold sleeve and please all of us. It can't be just a question of cost since the net cost of the packaging is peanuts anyway - I mean just how cool would it be to be able to buy Yessongs (for example) on CD but in its original LP packaging?
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 20:54
Exhibit 1:
 ...how many people bought that in the 70s because of the Patrick Woodruff's artwork rather than Dave Greenslade's music? (hint: lots) ------------- What? |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: June 13 2009 at 21:37
This. I like to actually hold and physically own what I pay my money for... So cover art and Booklet for me. ------------- 
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: June 14 2009 at 03:49
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I'm getting the feeling that most of you who *demand* the piece of plastic and paper component are simply used to the format so much that you can't - and don't want to - think about alternatives. I'm sure that 20 years from now music will be a purely virtual thing ... as will be video (blu-ray is the last disc format). Amazon have shown with their Kindle that it is possible to transfer the experience of reading a book to the electronic world ... why should it be different for booklets? In the end the electronic solution will take over, because it's simply more convenient, more efficient and more elegant. If done correctly of course, but I am sure that we'll eventually see some kind of device like the Kindle, but a bit larger and with color display, and of course with one (or more) headphone plugs. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: June 14 2009 at 03:52
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: June 14 2009 at 03:57
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^ sure. As I said before, I prefer music over stuff to put in a shelf.
------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: June 14 2009 at 04:07
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I'm confused and appalled that the vote was tied 3-3 before I voted. This is a music forum after all.
In any event, Mike, I may be one of the only people who seems to think that it's fine that album art and stuff could be left aside, as long as you're left with great music. I myself seem to prefer music that contains lyrics that are at least somewhat important, but I don't even get physical CDs every time to marvel at the magnificent artwork or read through the lyrics as I'm listening, because after all it's the music that's important. Furthermore, I think Roger Dean's artwork is incredible, but I don't have any physical copy of any albums that he did artwork on, save for my father's vinyl copy of Fragile, and that one has water damage so the first coat is coming off easily. But that doesn't matter, cause I enjoy lots of Yes music anyways.
I listen to music through an iPod dock anyways, or in the car when I'm driving so there's little need for me to have vinyls and CDs, though sometimes I'll get a cheap thrift store vinyl for something like a dollar for the collectability of it. ------------- 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 14 2009 at 04:10
I did!!! Beautiful.......but the exception rather than the rule. I took mine back actually. Its such quet music and tthe crackles on the vinyl drove me nuts! Plus I thought it a wee bit boring. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 14 2009 at 04:11
Will books also become a virtual thing? Hopefully not. And just like I like my library I like the collection of albums on the shelves. Just think of this: When a new friend for the first time enters the place where you live, what will he, among other things, take a look at? The books and musical albums on the shelves, because they reflect an important part of the host's personality. Do you honestly think this can be replaced by having it all on the computer? I definitely know I would be missing out on something, and the question "let me have a glance at your computer to see what you read and hear" appears to be a bit daring to me. Of course manners may change in the future, but I actually like to have my personality on display for people who visit me. It definitely won't be the same if it is all on the computer. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: June 14 2009 at 04:27
Indeed, the situation is different for each album. Some albums have great artwork that is intertwined with the music. Some albums have great artwork, but it doesn't have much to do with the music at all (often the artwork is created independently from the music). And then of course there are albums where the artwork is totally unimportant. And as you said, there is the cost factor. Focussing on the music (MP3) alone allows me to buy more albums. But like you I'm also paying regular visits to my local thrift store ... when I see an album with a nice cover for a bargain price, I'll take the opportunity. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 14 2009 at 04:29
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I can't believe the votes are equal. 50% say the art is MORE IMPORTANT than the music. FRankly I don't understand. A protest vote?  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: June 14 2009 at 04:30
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Wrong question in the poll. Make a poll with both options possible to choose. Not just one option with the answer you want. What valuable answers can you possibly get by asking rhetorical questions like this? I voted for cover and booklet, but of course the music is generally more important. I buy Vinyl when its an option, bwt, and of course its about the whole package. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: June 14 2009 at 04:31
I think that users will simply have the bulk of their collection on their computer. It still makes sense though to keep some books, CDs or vinyl albums ... to put in a shelf, and to show to visitors. I currently have 1000 CDs ... I could give visitors a good impression of what I'm listening to by simply keeping the 100 most important ones. Preferably ones with great artwork, in digipacks instead of jewel cases. BTW: You can also present your collection on the computer. All major music player applications allow you to manage cover art ... if I open Winamp (my player of choice) I can display my entire collection as a big tiled display of cover art. That also looks much better - and more interesting - than my CD shelf, with only the side of the CDs visible. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: June 14 2009 at 04:31
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I honestly just think that owning the physical media is so much more beneficial...
I can play it out of a CD player! For example I recently developed a fetish for MARILLION artwork, and TBH, I'm looking at bidding on a 12" Record just for the album art today... I bought 11 Marillion CD's in the last 3 months from eBay - I could've downloaded them from iTunes, or illegally, but I chose to buy the CD's as I prefer to own a physical media. Don't get me wrong - its not that I'm opposed to or afraid of change, its that I feel like I'm not really paying for a proper product when I buy MP3's. I usually don't give them as much consideration, or value them as much either. For example, I payed 19.99 USD for a Marillion: FUGAZI CD on eBay (That was before 7USD in postage to Australia) and I could've got it for around 9.99AUD on iTunes, but I wouldn't feel as though I owned the music. And apart from that I wouldn't be able to play it Every morning on my CD player before school... -------------
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: June 14 2009 at 04:35
Then why would you vote for cover and booklet?
 Obviously it's just a poll but if music is more important then why booklet/cover?In any event Mike, I've noticed that you've been advocating MP3 use and I think it's a good thing.
Though I can't wait till I'm in Flagstaff in a couple weeks. They have a Bookman's there where I've gotten several cheap CDs and I can never make a visit there without purchasing something, and I'm planning on a big haul from Flag. -------------
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 14 2009 at 04:41
Yes, but it would definitely not be the same to present the collection on the computer. And you are already compromising. Our homes definitely would be less "home" if it was all on the computer. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: June 14 2009 at 04:43
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I'm not visiting my local thrift store as often as I used to ... I'm finding less and less albums that I would consider buying, either I already have them or they cost more than the new version (or they're in bad shape).
------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: June 14 2009 at 05:19
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The music. If the lyrics and the "cover" art work are available online, I'm not fussed about owning the product in physical form. ------------- 
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 14 2009 at 05:19
I voted Cover Art & Booklet, even though my main reason for buying it is the music I still believe that the packaging is part of the whole thing - the tone and style of the artwork is an important factor in my initial appreciation of the delivered product. Unlike the box that an iPod is sold in that gets discarded within days of opening it, a CD case and booklet is an inherent part that remains with the disc in perpetuity. Even on my Arcos I have the cover image stored alongside the mp3's - image recognition is a key factor in finding the next album to play for me.
While in general I wouldn't buy an album just for the cover, if in a store with Ł15 in my pocket and a choice of two albums to buy, the package would be the deciding factor. I don't think I would have initially bought Scenes From A Memory if Dave McKean hadn't designed the booklet - although I liked Dream Theater at that point, but wasn't a fan enough to buy everything they released - McKean's artwork was enough to persuade me to buy it on that day. ------------- What? |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: June 14 2009 at 09:39
Vinyl is the only format with any value to the cover art/booklet, CDs are just too small -------------  Time always wins. |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: June 14 2009 at 10:19
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The whole product is important, whether that includes artwork or not. The problem with downloaded albums is that I find it hard to think of them as finished products when I have to burn them on a CD and print the cover myself to have a hard copy. I would, however, gladly buy an album that was released on vinyl without a sleeve and with a blank label, since in that case there would be nothing missing from the album. |
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: June 14 2009 at 21:00
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Hmm... So according to this poll half the people would rather have just the album art while the other half is fine with just the music. We could save money this way and only buy half the albums we want. The ones who like the music can keep the files and as long as we sent the empty vinyl sleeves and CD cases with the artwork they'd be content. -------------
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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: June 14 2009 at 22:25
I completely agree. I know people of younger generation prefer all these PCs, iPods etc. Most of them do not care much about sound quality. There are objective reasons like the lack of money, place etc. But I'm afraid "bad habit" to listen to everything on PC will stay even when they will be able to own good sound systems and enough room for collections. ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: June 14 2009 at 22:26
From now on I hate CDs with a passion!!! Vinyl is the only way to go!!
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Posted By: mr.cub
Date Posted: June 14 2009 at 22:32
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I find the best price for my music. If I can download it cheaper of Itunes or another site, that is my outlet. Personally, I prefer the CD because I love the idea of actually having physical copies of music. It will be something I will pass on to my children (like my father's vinyl records to me). If that sounds old fashioned, oh well ------------- 
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: June 15 2009 at 02:19
I completely resent that notion. Listening to music on the PC has nothing to do with sound quality issues ... if you really think that MP3 is inherently inferior to vinyl or CD then there are other threads that deal with this never ending discussion ... I'm 34 years old. I have a big collection of CDs and vinyls, and a good hi-fi system (I had several of them over the years). I'm also a professionally trained musician (electric organ, keyboards, guitars). When I listen to MP3s on my computer system (which has a €80 Logitech 5.1 sound system) I am absolutely satisfied with the sound quality. Of course it could be better, but right next to it I have the big hi-fi, and when I compare those two "worlds" I find that the computer is not far behind, and in fact the clarity/resolution and the precision of the low frequencies is actually better than the hi-fi. That's probably because the hi-fi is about 10 years old now, and in those 10 years speaker technology has improved significantly. Long story short: I know that many people think that listening to MP3s on the computer can't be any good ... unfortunately there's nothing that I can say that would change anything about it. All I can do is to continue to "spread the word", and hope that more and more people accept these new realities. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 15 2009 at 02:24
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^ How do you put up with all the fan noise on a PC? I used find the noise of the hard disc in my iPod distracting at times until I replaced it with a flash-drive. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: June 15 2009 at 02:37
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^ I hated the fan noise of my previous PC ... so with my current one I made sure that it's very silent, and so far I'm really happy with it. Of course it's not 100% silent - but then again when you listen to vinyls it's not completely silent either. Usually I listen at a decent volume, so that noise in the room is negligible. BTW: My refrigerator is louder than my PC ... As a side note: People are different. I can tolerate the noise of my computer, but I'll be annoyed when I watch a movie with friends or in a theater, and someone eats popcorn. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: June 15 2009 at 02:45
No, just your home -------------
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: June 15 2009 at 03:02
No, our homes. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 15 2009 at 03:05
Some peoples homes. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 15 2009 at 03:07
No way!! If I wanted to hear the sound of bacon frying I'd have breakfast! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: June 15 2009 at 03:22
Pre 1989 artists -------------
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: June 15 2009 at 03:44
Are the only legitimate ones, the only ones that ought to be purchased and consumed (in any form). |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 15 2009 at 03:50
I didn't know that....thank you! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: fusionfreak
Date Posted: June 15 2009 at 08:48
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I prefer the music but I enjoy cover art and booklet(even if it's less magnificent on cd's when talking about Roger Dean or Paul Whitehead artworks)that's why I keep buying cds.Moreover my goal is to constitute a marvellous musical collection and give it to a library(part of my testament)in order to try and spread prog and peace after passing away. ------------- I was born in the land of Mahavishnu,not so far from Kobaia.I'm looking for the world of searchers with the help from crimson king |
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: June 15 2009 at 12:01
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The music is definitely more important to me. Eventually I am going to switch over to downloading my music, as in most cases the sound quality is very good in downloads and they're cheaper, but for now I'm still buying CDs as I'm still young and have a fairly small collection (only ~150-200 I'd guess), and I'd like to have a giant "wall of sound" as someone posted earlier in the thread.
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: June 15 2009 at 12:48
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^ You mean a "wall of CDs"? Another strategy to consider: Only buy the most important albums as CD, and the rest as download. That way you'll save some money and still build a great collection over time. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 15 2009 at 13:23
Crap, will we ever be able to win the war against external noise sources? I swear when it comes to speakers, it's the stand up fan, the attic fan, or the computer fan. Come to think of it fans are probably the bane of most prog fans. Headphones are your friend. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: June 15 2009 at 14:43
Because I don't want to give Mike the vote he is fishing for. He gives two alternatives: the first option = The answer he wants, 2 = Impossible to choose. I think I explained my problems with the poll well enough in my first post. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Diaby
Date Posted: June 15 2009 at 14:49
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I've mentioned a lot recently, that I'd NEVER pay for downloads. That'd not be part of my collection. If I could, I would destroy the possibility of legal music downloading (non-free).
The booklet and the artwork are at least 25% of the fan, by the way. ------------- yeah |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 15 2009 at 14:50
You can't be secure from external noises unless you are on the moon with your CD-player and listen to the music with headphones. And even then the sound of your own breathing might disturb you, so there is only one solution (sound of gunshot). ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: June 15 2009 at 15:08
And that's exactly why I created the other poll. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 15 2009 at 15:15
There is a difference between stochastic noise, impulse noise and repetitive noise and how they interact with the listening experience. The human brain is capable of blocking out repetitive noise such as a whirring fan - the problem for listening to music is that process will also filter out much of the music content at the same time. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: June 15 2009 at 15:15
So if I buy the download that makes me a lesser fan? Maybe because the download costs less? Ok, I could see that ... but I'm also getting less "overhead". Today booklet and cover art are often (but not always) done by artist who have very little connection to the band. I'd speculate that sometimes even the record label has a big word in what the album will look like, since it greatly affects the sales. I think that it's quite ok to not put the cover art and plastic case (face it, "jewel case" is a euphemism) on that high a pedestal. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: June 15 2009 at 15:17
My old computer had a small fan on the mainboard ... it was *so* annoying because it would emit a high pitch tinnitus-like sound that would vary subtly (it would shift pitch/phase). When I bought the new computer I made sure that the mainboard didn't have a fan. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Diaby
Date Posted: June 15 2009 at 15:38
You're not a lesser fan even if you can't afford buying anything and download illegally. But this "paying individually for tracks" gives more strength to the attitude towards music today: if I heard a song yesterday on the radio, I go and download it, without knowing anything 'bout the artist and the ALBUM (which format is dying, there are only very few who can listen to an album from the first minute to the last). ------------- yeah |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 15 2009 at 15:47
What world are you living in? Only very few can listen to an album from the first minute to the last? What do you think the people on this forum do? Pick only one song from an album and then switch to the next? I sincerely doubt that. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: June 15 2009 at 16:00
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^ come on, it works fine for many prog albums. Even on an album like Dark Side of the Moon I can choose to listen to Money only ...
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 15 2009 at 16:18
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^ one track off Light of Day, Day of Darkness is enough for me... ------------- What? |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: June 15 2009 at 16:24
The one I'd choose to skip. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 15 2009 at 17:03
There is a big difference between "there are some albums I don't listen to in the whole because only some songs interest me" and "there are only very few who can listen to an album from the first minute to the last". ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 15 2009 at 21:01
No... our homes
Really.... how will the future house be? Instead of shelves with books, records, movies, all there will be is.. a laptop... Instead of sharing art with a friend (in the hypothetical and improbable case that future generations even understand the concept of a physical friend) everything will be just for the individual....
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 01:24
you also said "What do you think the people on this forum do? Pick only one song from an album and then switch to the next? I sincerely doubt that." and that was what I'm replying to. I usually listen to albums from start to finish, but sometimes I'll also listen to a few songs and then move to the next album. That way I can listen to several artists even if I only have half an hour spare time. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 01:26
I rather think that in future houses there will be much larger displays/TVs. It's no problem to view them together with a (physical) friend. I also think that sharing art will be a lot easier, even today the friend can bring an USB stick and copy your music (In Germany that's legal). ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 05:06
You've made the right decision IMO - what you propose is exactly what I've been doing for some time ------------- It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough. |
Posted By: Diaby
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 13:58
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You've completely misunderstood what I said. I spoke about mankind in generality, NOT about progheads. WE are the very few I wrote about.
The boys and girls in my age do know lots of bands, but only the "hits" from every and each. They download those ones and ignore everything else what the band have done. MOST of the people couldn't sit down and listen to an entire album. They don't even know what's the name of the album the songs are off. ------------- yeah |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 14:10
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^ for most mainstream artists this strategy is actually valid ... you don't need the full albums. I'm very sure that the album will continue to exist for a long time - as long as there are fans of serious, artistic music. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Diaby
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 14:12
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^okay, dying was just a bad expression. Of course it couldn't die because that's the only standard way to release more songs at once. ------------- yeah |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 14:15
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^ There's also the EP ...
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Posted By: Diaby
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 15:23
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^very good joke ------------- yeah |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 15:32
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Many new bands are releasing EPs these days. Of course they don't get a lot of attention. But add two songs more and you suddenly have a LP. That's what I would do as a new band today ... publish an album with about 35 minutes worth of high quality music and publish it on all the major download stores. It would be 3-4 tracks, so it would be really affordable on eMusic.com or Amazon. And since it's longer than 30 minutes, I could call it an LP.
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 19:13
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Seriously, I don't know anyone in my town who regularly listens to albums all the way through. I'm the only one. -------------
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