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M@X

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Topic: NEW RATING ALGO. AND EDIT RATINGS/REVIEWS OPEN TO
Posted: May 19 2009 at 10:49

I've scaled down the box as suggsted, thanks

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Posted: May 18 2009 at 19:23

Although, as cool as these new things are, they're kind of big. Can we scale the text boxes back a bit? I don't think anyone would mind.

And I must admit... I'm slightly confused as to how I'm being used as an example up there. Just that merely knowing what a person listens to informs nothing as to why?

Edited by LiquidEternity - May 18 2009 at 19:24

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Posted: May 18 2009 at 19:06

AlexUC wrote:

1) The rating alg: Seems much better for me too. Just a doubt about the rating only, does it count the same for everybody? 1pt for all? Or the rating from PR, Collab, SC, Adm weights more?

A rating without a review counts as x1 for everybody.

What?

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Posted: May 18 2009 at 19:06

LiquidEternity wrote:

Whoa. Review commenting? Cool.

Useful function I feel. Damo Thanks M@X. Clap

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Posted: May 18 2009 at 18:55

Whoa. Review commenting? Cool.

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Posted: May 11 2009 at 16:37

1) The rating alg: Seems much better for me too. Just a doubt about the rating only, does it count the same for everybody? 1pt for all? Or the rating from PR, Collab, SC, Adm weights more?

2) The edit review functionality: Very very good. Now I can write the respective review for some ratings I placed after joining the site, and didn't understood very well the difference between rating & review Dead

(without depending on a Collab/Admin)

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Posted: May 10 2009 at 18:50

popeyethecat wrote:

I'm personally very pleased with the changes, and I'm fine about the weighting - I trust this website to pick suitable people to be collaborators and I think it is only right that they are given the recognition they deserve. I've seen fairly n00by reviews which I don't think deserve as much weight.

Nice post Popeye!

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Posted: May 10 2009 at 18:12

Thank you admins for making re-evaluation of personal ratings available to be changed. I already made a few changes.

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Posted: May 10 2009 at 16:26

I'm personally very pleased with the changes, and I'm fine about the weighting - I trust this website to pick suitable people to be collaborators and I think it is only right that they are given the recognition they deserve. I've seen fairly n00by reviews which I don't think deserve as much weight.

I love the change that means we can go over our reviews! Now, what would be GREAT would be someone proofreading everyone's reviews....just a thought ;)

EDIT: Needed to proofread thatun, haha

Edited by popeyethecat - May 10 2009 at 16:28

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Posted: May 10 2009 at 04:48

Mandrakeroot wrote:

manofmystery wrote:

Not everyone can edit their reviews:

"You account doesn't have the persmission to do this"

might want to fix the grammer on that rejection message as well

This is also my problem.

And i've this problem both with review that with album add.

I am forced to do logging in every time that I being in PA, if I do the operations mentioned above.

I like imagining you talking. It makes me smile. You should post more often.

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Posted: May 10 2009 at 04:22

M@X, good job. A change in the right direction as to weight calculation. Possibility to change ratings and reviews a BIG step forward. Cool!

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Posted: May 08 2009 at 07:47

manofmystery wrote:

Not everyone can edit their reviews:

"You account doesn't have the persmission to do this"

might want to fix the grammer on that rejection message as well

This is also my problem.

And i've this problem both with review that with album add.

I am forced to do logging in every time that I being in PA, if I do the operations mentioned above.

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Posted: May 07 2009 at 11:20

@Henry Planview: some visitors use the following page to display all reviews in 1 page http://www.progarchives.com/album-reviews.asp?id=1251

In the album pages, under the Ratings Distribution, click on the SHOW ALL REVIEWS/RATINGS link

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Posted: May 07 2009 at 00:29

These are excellent changes, but is there any plan to change the layout of the reviews? I much preferred the old way, and I can't bring myself to write a review knowing it will be shunted off to the side like that.

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Posted: May 06 2009 at 20:37

Amen brother. I prefer reading reviews, and let luck take its' course. All it takes is the right one to pique your curiousity. And that applies to iconic releases, new or obscure albums.

P.S. - for all the debate over weighting ... a good review is good. True, PA's reviewers and collabs may have a track record, and some heft behind their opinions ... but then I just use the example of Night Sun's Mournin to show that even prog reviewers, collabs & admin miss out on some gems. The enthusiasm showed by the few existing reviews at the time left me no choice but to get it.

Edited by debrewguy - May 06 2009 at 20:41

"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.

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Posted: May 06 2009 at 20:16

Good point Claude:

Liquid Eterenity's chart says:

This tells me he has heard Drean Theater (Which I don't like at all) and VDGG (Not my cup of tea either).

But doesn't tell me if he likes them, why, what's the best thing of them, how good are the lyrics...Absolutely nothing, except that he has listened a lot of VDGG in the last day.

If I want to know about VDGG, I would read reviews and have a better impression, and if not enough, I will get the album that sounds closer to what i might like according to a revioewer I trust, but last Fm, even when I might trust Liquid Eternity................. Please, I don't even know if he liked themn or just exploring a new artist for him, the rest remains in the

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Posted: May 06 2009 at 19:47

I don't get last.fm, any more than I cared for Pandora after a little while. Their "programming" only exposes you to more of the same.
I can't see that I would have discovered Univers Zero, unless I was already looking for other groups like that. I guess that is what Ivan really means.
After all, why would a computer be able to surprise me with something that I wasn't looking for. In which case, Mike, you may want to ditch last.fm, and check out Spotify, or any of the many XM/Sirius Radio stations. It's easy to find other groups that sound like Dream Theater or Dun. The hard part is coming across them in the first place. And a computer program cannot decipher where you might be delightfully surprised by something based on another thing that you already like.

"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.

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Posted: May 06 2009 at 19:28

I noticed that the top 20 of proto-prog and prog-related are no more.

I personally enjoyed and benefited from that top 20 (as I do with the other subgenres); if it's not too big of a deal, I'd like to see those features reimplemented.

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Posted: May 06 2009 at 13:58

Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ makes a lot of sense too, since you're probably not too much into discovering new music. I can only guess what you're listening to though, since you're not using last.fm or any other playlist service.

Not much into discovering new music Mike?

For God's sake, I added more than 50 bands last year alone, from various genres, not counting the ones added by the team, including Avant Garde, Heavy Prog, Symphonic, Eclectic, etc.

Prog Metal is not the only new music out there, even if you want to make us believe so, there's plenty new music out there in many genres, there's even old music I bnnever heard before and is unfairly ignored, I don't care for most Prog Metal, but that doesn't make me a retrograde who doesn't care for new music.

Last FM is a good choice for you, I don't care for it, I never read the play lists, because it's designed according to your taste, not mine and say nothing, I don't need to go telling people what I listen or listen a band because it's in your play list

My reviews speak for me and for the people who took their time writing them, and that's the reason why I don't care for ratings alone is because I don't trust them , I don't even know if the person has heard the album or gives a 5 because he loves the band (If you remember a lot of people gave 5 stars ratings to Octavarium when actually were listening a LaBrie album) or one star because the guy hates the band ( http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=23553 the Adms had to clean this page, because the guy had given 5 to Pink Floyd and 1 star to evrything else -Yes, Genesis, etc- without a review).

Reviews speak loud and clear, give me reasons, feelings, reaction to the music and/or lyrics, arguments, etc; ratings alone say nothing to me, and IMO are useless unless you have a site based in ratings mainly, which I don't visit for that same exact reason.

Iván

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - May 06 2009 at 14:10

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Posted: May 06 2009 at 13:19

^ makes a lot of sense too, since you're probably not too much into discovering new music. I can only guess what you're listening to though, since you're not using last.fm or any other playlist service.