Socialism.. does anyone have a clue.

micky wrote: *yawn*   I'm tired about hearing bitching about the deficit...  where have you all been for the last 8 years....

I guess I wasn't loud enough for you to hear me then.

Edit: I don't know how I forgot to mention this, but last I checked, Congress is responsible for the budget and spending, not the President. So instead of blaming Bush, blame those little sh*theads in the House and Senate.


Edited by birdwithteeth11 - April 21 2009 at 18:44

micky wrote: mr.cub wrote: crimson87 wrote: birdwithteeth11 wrote: If Obama had done absolutely nothing so far, then I'd understand not judging him. But overall you have to admit he's gotten a free pass from most of us.   I agree with what you say , but let me give you an example: In 2003 after suffering the worst crisis in our country. Nestor Kirchner was elected President , since we were right at the bottom financially , the few economical measures he took helped raising our GDP up and helped loads of people from total poverty. The guy was no genius , this was all due to the natural behaviour of the economic cycles. People started to have trust in his administration and he grasped all power in Congress. After a few years we all started to realize all the flaws within government and now that his wife was elected up to 2011 we are regretting our decision.   Sorry for the little lesson in Argentinian history , but the same can be taken to the US case. You will recover , but it will happen naturally. Not because Obama is the second coming , and in a couple of years you will be able to judge him more objetively.   Great insight, I cannot agree more with the bolded statement. That is why I ask myself why all this government activity to help rebuild Wall Street, when history proves that it will fix itself on its own.   what it is... is not to rebuild... but to soften the fall... obviously it will right itself naturally...but at what cost... that is what the government is trying to soften the blow.  People will bitch... but like many today.. they don't think about what would happen if the the government didn't interveen but hahahha.... trust me.. the voices that berate him now would be tenfold if he did nothing and let unemployement hit 15% while the market naturally sorted itself out

So running up the national deficit even more is better than letting the market sort itself out? I shudder to think of the day 10-15 years from now when China finally comes back to us and says "Pay up".

Also, if you can give me an example of when the government intervened with the economy and managed to fix it faster, then I have the Brooklyn Bridge to sell you. Some say FDR lengthened the Great Depression by as much as 5 years because he spent so much money on government programs that did little to solve actual economic programs. Lyndon Johnson tried the Great Society program and we all know how that worked out. But I think Obama is going to top both of them combined in ridiculous spending and unnecessary programs.

The polls are still high because the honeymoon isn't over. But a year or two from now, I guarantee you're going to see Obama's numbers plummet because of all the crap he's slinging into the economy.

crimson87 wrote: birdwithteeth11 wrote: If Obama had done absolutely nothing so far, then I'd understand not judging him. But overall you have to admit he's gotten a free pass from most of us.   I agree with what you say , but let me give you an example: In 2003 after suffering the worst crisis in our country. Nestor Kirchner was elected President , since we were right at the bottom financially , the few economical measures he took helped raising our GDP up and helped loads of people from total poverty. The guy was no genius , this was all due to the natural behaviour of the economic cycles. People started to have trust in his administration and he grasped all power in Congress. After a few years we all started to realize all the flaws within government and now that his wife was elected up to 2011 we are regretting our decision.   Sorry for the little lesson in Argentinian history , but the same can be taken to the US case. You will recover , but it will happen naturally. Not because Obama is the second coming , and in a couple of years you will be able to judge him more objetively.

I think I will...mikey likes it...

Miaou indeed...

hahahha... oh Thomas... that is so true 

and found my new sig for a day.....

Agreed about the way things have a tendency to heal them selves. Truth is that while Bush was uniquely interested in POWER, Obama has no choice but to focus on results. He hasn't got  a mandate to rule but rather a clear unalterable mandate to REPAIR.  Perhaps, the Pearl Harbor Syndrome (America becomes strong very fast when kicked in the nuts) will bring about the vast and needed revamping of the world economy. Shows you why America' greatest weakness is the constant swaying between 2 options as if the universe only had a deuce to deal with. Blame big governement, blame private enterprise (the current crisis was 100% private sector, by financial geniuses who managed to screw everyone -Cheney, Tyco, Enron etc...-and Madoff proceeded to screw them all real good). Geniuses, pfffffff! A world with no rules, where anything goes, is that free enterprise?  Is that genius or even leadership? No its called uncontrolled rampant , primitive GREED! I am not surprised one bit by the bi-polar idiocy. Read history, just a merry-go-round, same old yawning story. Babylon, Imperial Rome, Napoleon , Adolf , Wall Street. IDIOTS !!!! Anyway, as JJ Rousseau so eloquently stated: "The more I analyze the human race the more I love my dog" WOOF, WOOF! . Don't ever be surprised about anything except PROG!

Edited by tszirmay - April 01 2009 at 11:32

hahah...  stealing an election at worst... and ignoring democracy (making sure accurate recounts in Florida were taken) at best was not the best way for a new President to come into office now was it. He reaped whatever discord he sowed in that highly political and partisan 'election'.  To compare Bush and Obama in that way is simpley silly.. and that is being polite.

  Personally I gave the guy a chance.. even gave him his due as being a 'leader' when this country needed it. My personal problems with him... and many Americans came after years of failed policies... inability to adjust.. and blatent political governing.  Could you honestly see one of Obama's henchmen trying to force a government official to sign an article restricting personal liberties while on his death bed.  No.. neither could I.

A free pass.. yeah...  a free pass given so the man can have the time to work out serious solutions to very serious problems that don't have easy 'soundbyte' answers.  Will he fix it?  God knows.. but as I posted..  I believe the man is trying... and not just trying to win a future election or just score political points. 

Sacred 22 wrote: micky wrote: Garion81 wrote: ^ Very well said thank you sir! that was what always ate me up about that Brian...  all it took was reading... thinking to know that Iraq was a disaster waiting to happen.  That is what happens when people are apathetic.. they let Bush subvert their rights as citizens..  and waste their fellow countrymen's lives and our money on an adventure that (disregarding the question as to whether we should or should not have)..was executed with the efficiency and fore-thought represenative of just what this country elected in to be it's President.. a intellectually average person who didn't read a newspaper.. much less a book... where dissenting opinons were frowned upon....and would lead through 'gut instinct'.  I know the Pizza guy down the street got through college with C's... what was there to Bush but a 'name'..a smile and a sense this a guy that would be fun to have a beer or share a hooker and line of coke with... not exactly the best way to select a President is it? whether Obama succeeds or fails..at least we have someone in charge who is 'thinking' of solutions.. not half-assing it and going by what his god.. or his gut tells him is the right course of action.  bah....   Geez, Obama works for the same Anglo American bankers that the other puppet was working for. He is nothing more than a Kissinger prodegy who is doing exactly what he is told. A different kind of actor, that's all. It should be getting pretty obvious by now. He can read a dummy board and that's about it. I think the cat is out of the bag now.

   the cynicism on this forum never fails to amaze me...

sorry... after two months ... in the midst of the worse finanical crisis in years...  maybe I'm naive... but I don't judge a man on two months work on disaster years in the making.... I'll judge him if he fixes the problems. That is going to take years...

Garion81 wrote: Tony R invades America!?!   Too bad we can't get a PA fest togther for a night!

hahhahah... oh that would be a laugh riot...

October.

£ will be worth 50 cents by then...