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Vibrationbaby 
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Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 6898 |
 Topic: ALL Deutschland Prog Appreciation Thread...Posted: January 13 2009 at 15:20 |
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Weird stuff. I suggest a German/English dictionary.
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Grobsch
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Joined: June 25 2004 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 169 |
Posted: January 12 2009 at 06:51 |
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I need to listen to the Eroc albums...
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Dr. Occulator
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Joined: March 04 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 628 |
Posted: January 09 2009 at 16:24 |
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Fool's Garden : Though not strictly progressive...if you like the Beatles you will love them. Great melodies, harmonies, songwriting and arranging skills. Huge in Germany & some other parts of Europe. Their hit 'Lemon Tree' is probably one of their weakest tunes but commercial. Check out their other stuff.
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My Doc Told Me I Have Doggie Head.
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Vibrationbaby
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Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 6898 |
Posted: January 09 2009 at 14:31 |
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I wasn`t taking any credit away from anyone.Quite honestly I don`t know what you mean by that. And I never said experimenting couldn`t be composing because that`s how a lot of songs became songs. I just said they really started to prove themselves on the Carnival In Babylon album onwards despite some dissatisfied fans and critics.
I think the first album they really started taking flak for goiong commercial was Carnival In Babylon which in my opinion is one of their best. Don`t know what you`re talking about ATCO ( you`re refering to ATCO? ) killing 100 artists. When Amon Duul II was on Liberty they were virtually unknown in North America. With the switch in management and musical approach the North American market sat up and took notice. I like the incessant jamming of the early Kosmische bands as much as the next guy but I don`t think even Guru Guru could have got away with that sort of thing for long. I mean, c`mon guys give us some songs as well. And that`s what a lot of these bands did. The ones that wanted to stay in freakoutland went by the wayside. Edited by Vibrationbaby - January 09 2009 at 14:34 |
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moshkito
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Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 17529 |
Posted: January 09 2009 at 13:59 |
I always thought that ... a song does not a "composer" make. I still like the band, and while I can appreciate NADA MOONSHINE ... you know what my biggest criticism is? .... for a band that was so fantastic in experimentation ... the only thing they could do now was ... a nice song or two? They couldn't even "trip" anymore?
HIJACK ... is, a massively great album ... it's just a shame that Atlantic at that time decided to give all the money to a big dick on a stage and another over sized ego, and killed over 100 artists on their label conglomerate ... most of these artists were European bands that today we talk about with so much affection. And because the album had no backing, or support ... it got trashed by anyone that heard it on any rock media.
I just don't know that many American radio stations can appreciate the "challenge" that Amon Duul was presenting in "Explode Like a Star" ... or the bigger finger to many other things ... "Ge Guadaloop" ... which a lot of people think is a taboo of sorts and putting down "rock'n'roll" ... no kidding ... this happened in Santa Barbara! And at the time, things were not about being "politically correct" as they became 20 years later ... although the feds enjoyed doing target practice on the radio station towers!
Personally, I liked MADE in GERMANY ... but I think that a more focused album, with a few more "jams" instead of songs, would also be enjoyed ... that's like saying that today ... if you saw AD2 ... you would not want to hear YETI played ... you're full of it ... you would love it and cry afterwards!
I always thought ... at one time ... the music did all the talking ... you did not need the lyrics in Soap Shop Rock to enjoy the album ... and all of a sudden, it is lyrics, and sometimes trivial and not important ... and while I appreciated a number of fantastic songs ... I felt sad ... I missed the vast expanse and explosion of sound that WOLF CITY had ... or the unbelievable power and strength of Mozambique after Apocalyptic Bore ... still the 2 most important AD2 songs of all ... one a massive finger to people that got stuck in drugs and couldn't even talk to you anymore ... and the other ... guess what ... even Mozambique got its independence 2 months later. (This was the reason I put Scorpions song Fly to the Rainbow on the list on the other thread _ so you can see a nice song that basically tells everyone ... get ripped and stoned!)
But, out of curiosity ... why does a song fit into "composition" and an experimentation does not?
So much for the symphonys we listen to all the time in classical music ... to me YETI is one of those symphonies ... stop taking that credit away from the artist ... hehe
Thx
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zeprogmeister
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Joined: June 08 2008 Location: Colorado, USA Status: Offline Points: 7 |
Posted: January 09 2009 at 13:48 |
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Don't forget Stern-Combo Meissen. Excellent dual-keyboard symph.
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http://www.zedfusion.com
http://www.myspace.com/theothersideprog http://www.myspace.com/zedfusion |
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moshkito
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Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 17529 |
Posted: January 09 2009 at 13:28 |
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Hi,
I can still put on YETI ... and there are not many guitarists out there that can make it sound like spaceships from outer space landing! Or some ultra sonic visual of some sort, reminiscent of the cover of that album ...
I don't care for the term Krautrock ... but I put together a fun sequence for you all ...
Must be hear loud ... and loud ... this is a music set ...
Scorpions - Fly to the Rainbow
Amon Duul 2 - Apocalyptic Bore
Guru Guru - Der Elektrolurch
Can - Mother Sky
Grobschnitt - Solar Music Live (in its entirety)
Faust - Tapes
Agitation Free - Malesch (anything)
Cozmic Couriers - Planeten Sit-In
Roedelius - Grosses Wasser
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and then after a drink (to clear up the fog) ...
Holger Czukay - On the Way to the Peak of the Normal
Eroc - Norderland
18 karat Gold - (any cut will do)
Zelig - Knock on Heaven's Door
Eberhard Schoenner - Trance Formation (for you gospel freaks!)
Guru Guru - LSD March
Kraan - Any early long cut live
Utopia - Nazi Goring
Klaus Schulze - Sebastian en traum
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and then after a shower (to clear up the vibes)
Popol Vuh - In den Garten Pharaos
Klaus Schulze - Mirage
Tangerine Dream - Stratosfear
Ash Ra Tempel - Nightdust
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and then ... for a good night cap ...
Amon Duul 2 - Wie der Wind Am Ende Einer Strasse
Amon Duul 2 - Yeti
Pleasant dreams ... and yes .. I have all this and much more ... can not EVER get enough of it.
(and that's the only Scorpions album I ever kept ... the rest was crap!)
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Vibrationbaby
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Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 6898 |
Posted: January 09 2009 at 09:53 |
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How about Guru Guru. Check out the L.Torro video I added a while back. Excellent observation. Hawkwind used the saxes more for freaky chirping effects rather than straight playing.
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dougiezerts
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Joined: December 31 2008 Location: Silver Spring M Status: Offline Points: 47 |
Posted: January 09 2009 at 08:33 |
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Actually, many European bands got away with using sax without the music slipping into fusion. Hawkwind is a perfect example. Amon Duul also used sax nicely.
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Grobsch
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Joined: June 25 2004 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 169 |
Posted: January 09 2009 at 06:00 |
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I need to hear more Kraut... Eloy, Grobschnitt, Wallenstein, Mythos, these bands I know almost everything about, but Kraut I heard only few albums of each band... mostly because I still cannot like saxophone...
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Alberto Muñoz
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Joined: July 26 2006 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 3577 |
Posted: January 08 2009 at 13:56 |
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and what about this:
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Vibrationbaby
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Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 6898 |
Posted: January 08 2009 at 13:34 |
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Octopus was a band that sounded like Yes meets Uriah Heep with a female vocalist.
 !! Check out the Boat Of Thoughts or Ocean of Rocks albums.
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memowakeman
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 19 2005 Location: Mexico City Status: Offline Points: 13032 |
Posted: January 08 2009 at 13:04 |
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Probably my favourite band from Germany is Eloy but they have been mentioned previously, another ones that come to my mind now that i like a lot are Wallenstein, Out of Focus, Emma Myldenberger and Tortilla Flat among others, there arre great music here besides what we know as Kraut, with symphonic bands like SFF or Epidaurus |
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Vibrationbaby
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Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 6898 |
Posted: January 08 2009 at 12:32 |
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Why is it so many people are into only the first few Amon Duul II albums. Hijack and Made In Germany is where they really proved their ability as musicians, arrangers and composers. Made In Germany is a bloody masterpiece both musically and conceptually.
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victor77
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Joined: March 13 2007 Location: Spain Status: Offline Points: 142 |
Posted: January 08 2009 at 11:22 |
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My favourite german bands
CAN: my first contact with german music, and many sublime moments on their music
AMON DUUL II first records (Yeti, Phallus Dei and Tanz der Lemminge)
POPOL VUH: I have recently discovered them, and I think it´s a very interesting music
FAUST: one of my favourites, but I prefer the records with Hans Jochim Irmler
PASSPORT: great jazz rock
EMBRYO: one of the best bands ever, many of their records are essential
ASH RA TEMPEL: I love their first three records, but the rest are also at a high level
PETER BRÖTZMANN: not a rock musician, but his music is of great interest (I love LAST EXIT, his project with Bill Lasswell, Shonny Sharrock and Ronald Shannon Jackson, right on the limits between free jazz and prog rock)
TANGERINE DREAM: I like them until Force Majeure, the rest is a bit boring, with some exceptions
EINSTÜRZENDE NEUBAUTEN: one of the most singular bands on earth, although not all their records are great, but is a band woth to be discovered
DZYAN: considered by many as a second rate band, I think they sound very fresh and original
I am still discoveriing GILA, Klaus Schulze, YATHA SIDRA and GURU GURU, but I like the few I have listened to.
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Grobsch
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Joined: June 25 2004 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 169 |
Posted: January 08 2009 at 05:45 |
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Yeti, Amon Duul II and Faust, Faust are fantastic!! I'm playing Faust right now!!
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BaldFriede
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Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10261 |
Posted: January 08 2009 at 02:40 |
"Bröselmaschine", by the way, means "hashish machine"; "Brösel" is a German slang word for hashish, because the hashish has to crumbled before using it, and "to crumble" means "bröseln" in German; a "crumb" is a "Brösel". The word was originally used for breadcrumbs only (you can still see the root of "Brot", the German word for "bread", in "Brösel"). |
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Adams Bolero
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Joined: January 07 2009 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 679 |
Posted: January 08 2009 at 01:45 |
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Prof. Wolfff is an excellent krautrock band. There’s a great video of them playing live on YouTube; here is the link: http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=naDeKFt3YqI&feature=channel_page |
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: January 07 2009 at 16:02 |
I have heard the first one of 1971, yeah the comparison with Holderlin is very valid.Dreamy space folk
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Vibrationbaby
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Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 6898 |
Posted: January 07 2009 at 15:14 |
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Anybody out there ever heard of a rather obscure German folk/rock band called Broeselmachine? They put out two albums in the seventies. The the first one from `71 which has a freaky cover and can be described as hippie/ prog / folk. Sort of like Hoelderlin`s first album only with English vocals. The second one released in `76 had Mani Nuemeier on percussion as well as Roland Schaffer from Guru Guru on bass which I have never been able to locate. I was suprised to find them here in the archives with a track available for streaming. Check it out. Apparently this first album is available on CD as well. I added a video of a reunion in `06 but it seem s to have different players.
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Why is it so many people are into only the first few Amon Duul II albums. Hijack and Made In Germany is where they really proved their ability as musicians, arrangers and composers. Made In Germany is a bloody masterpiece both musically and conceptually.