The Thrash, Grindcore, Doom, and the likes Thread

I always love how Dethklok is always called this supremely heavy and brutal band on the show, and really, they are melodic death metal and not always particularly brutal

CPicard wrote: Dethklok, grindcore? Er, I guess I should watch the show one of these days.

I think he was just pulling our leg, thus the eyewink, at least I hope so

Ah, grindcore I think Deathgrind like Mortician also deserves a mention. Amazing stuff. Cephalic Carnage are probably my favourite grind band, but I do love a good bit of Napalm Death, A/C (brutally humourous), Pig Destroyer and early Bolt Thrower. Dethklok as well, they're pretty brutal and on the Grindcore level

Toaster Mantis wrote: mithrandir wrote: and Doom Metal of course, from the Traditional Doom Metal of Saint Vitus, Candlemass and Trouble, to the other styles of Doom hybrids out there Death/Doom, Funeral, Sludge, whatever, if anything I probably find the current Traditional Doom Metal scene draws out my excitement the most, Reverend Bizarre, Warning, The Lamp of Thoth, Hour of 13, Blood Ceremony, Reino Ermintano, The River, Jex Thoth, the mighty Pagan Altar, etc That reminds me: Am I the only one who thinks Pagan Altar sound like what Jethro Tull eventually would have turned into if Tony Iommi had stayed in that band?

Agree.
Actually I've always thought of them as a bit proggish with elements from folk rock and stuff.
Besides they've listed Jethro Tull and Uriah Heep on their "inspiration list".

Recently i'm hearing these bandas:
Sodom, Specially Obsessed By Crueltry and Persecution Mania
Kreator, Pleasure to Kill and Terrible Certainty.
Nuclear Assault Game Over/The Plague.
Anthrax Among The Living and Spreding the Disease.
Type o Negative, Slow, Deep and Hard.

So, I'm sitting here listening to a newly cleared band for addition, Orthodox "Gran Poder" album, and what do I hear?

debrewguy wrote: I feel old when I remember trash as being Motorhead, Tank, Raven, and others like that (early Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax). I feel great listening to them though. Overkill, Filth Hounds of Hades, All for One ... WWWWWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

HughesJB4 wrote: philippe wrote: stoned doom is the only subgenre of metal I like, in particular old classic stuffs from Black Sabbath, Saint Vitus, Pentagram, Count Raven (...) the new bands coming from this scene don't interest me at all (with the exception of the wounded kings).   Yeah... but, Sabbath is not a Doom band by any stretch of the imagination

Iommi has been quoted as saying he invented Doom Metal ...

Philéas wrote: Black Sabbath is definitely proto-doom, and there's no point in arguing about that I think. From what I've heard, the Black Sabbath-ness seems more prevalent in stoner metal than in doom metal these days. The sound is there, but not so much in doom any longer. As for the recommendations, thanks! I already know Trouble, but I'll check out the others.

Yeah, genres are usually defined rather "after-the-fact" - and often so by critics, marketing people or just fans rather than the musicians themselves. When those fans then deli berately set out to play a genre, they inevitably end up doing something different than those pioneers who "created a genre accidentally" simply because they're thinking more about such things. The chapters on folk music and punk rock in Faking It: The Quest for Authenticity in Popular Music (a book I just finished reading, I have a thread about it in the music books forum) go into details about this.

However, there are exceptions here like when bands deliberately set out to create new genres like Magma and Venom. With black metal it might help a bit if you think of a subgenre as less a sound than an attitude - various black metal bands might not sound the same but it's very similar thoughts they're expressing. Probably the same thing with Zeuhl.


Edited by Toaster Mantis - November 02 2008 at 08:43