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Jozef
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Topic: Where to start with Marillion? Posted: January 07 2009 at 14:35 |
As far as the Hogarth albums go, I just recently got the "Crash Course" sampler CD that is free to order off of Marillion's website. It offers about eight songs from a few of the Hogarth era albums and I am quite pleased with the way they sound. "Estonia" has to be one of the most mesmerizing songs I've heard.
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JLocke
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Posted: January 07 2009 at 14:24 |
Yeah, listening to the albums in the order they were released is really the way to go, in my opinion.
Fugazi was rushed, but still has alot of great moments on it.
Misplaced Childhood is fabtastic, but it is overrated slightly, in my opinion. I've compaired to to Pink Floyd's "The Wall" before, and I still hold to that, but to hear some of the fanboys talk, MP is the greatest album ever to exist. Just don't go into it with any preconcieved notions and you'll love it.
Clutching At Straws took awhile for me to get into, but once I did, it became one of my most-listened Marillion records.
After that they went pop. Steve Hogarth is very good, and much more melodic in his vocal style, so it fits the more straightforward style of the band from that point on.
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Posted: January 07 2009 at 14:17 |
Nice response Erica, and welcome to the PA club.
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Posted: January 07 2009 at 14:11 |
My apologies in advance for the forthcoming Wall of Text, and me being a newbie and all. That said...
I am a fan of all Marillion - some albums are better than others, just like with any band possessing an expansive catalog of music. I started out with Fish (my favorite album of that era is Clutching at Straws), and after giving Hogarth one chance, decided I didn't like them anymore. For me, the Marillion catalog began and ended with the first 4 studio albums.
Fast-forward a decade, and I'm desperate for new music in the progressive vein. I saw that Marillion had continued to put out new albums all these years even without the formidable Fish, and that the albums had plenty of decent reviews from seemingly knowledgeable listeners on Amazon.com. (This was before I knew about ProgArchives!)
So I gave the new era a chance again and WOW. I'm in love all over. Some albums, not so much - the first two Hogarth albums (Seasons End and Holidays in Eden) strike me as a little weak, a sort of bridge between the two eras. They seem to have Fish's thoughts in Steve's voice... and neither sounds quite right.
Hogarth and the band seemed to get more comfortable in their skin together in the subsequent albums. Again, among these, there are a few less-than-stellar songs, but overall the band continues to grow and mature. There are those who don't care for the commercial direction the music seems to be taking, but I love it - I love the new albums and I love the old ones, and most of the ones in between.
But just because Marillion are deemed by some as more commercial than they once were, this doesn't necessarily mean the music is less worth listening to. I've been listening to all sorts of prog and neo-prog for over 30 years, and I know everyone has their opinion - I'm no different! I love the direction they've been taking with their last few albums.
Rush once described their music as occurring in chapters. They tended to close each chapter of 3-4 studio albums with a live album before moving on to the next chapter. In this case, for them, a chapter meant "a direction they were taking" with their music. There are very clear differences between the first four albums (their transition from hard rock to progressive) and the next four (progressive into more mainstream hard rock), and so on. I believe any good band, progressive or otherwise, moves through chapters this way. Why would you want your band to produce the same sort of sound over and over? It's good for them to mature and grow, even if you're not crazy about their effort on a particular release.
I know this has strayed from the topic of where, exactly, to start with Marillion. I think your idea of going chronologically is interesting, but it might be good to jump around a bit - if you don't care much for the Fish sound, you may not be inspired to keep going! Likewise, if you just started with the first couple of h-era albums, you might not want to keep going, either. And as with many progressive bands, the album that ultimately hooks you for life may be one you're not sure about upon first listen. My favorites overall include (as mentioned), Clutching at Straws, Happiness is the Road, Marbles, Afraid of Sunlight and Fugazi.
Sorry for the long-winded note. Hope this is helpful to anyone reading it.
-Erica
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Posted: December 13 2008 at 10:20 |
prog4evr wrote:
For the Hogarth-era, only "Brave" and "Marillion.com" (because of 'Interior Lulu') deserve attention...
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It's funny how things are subjective Brave is considered as one of their best stuffs with H but you should try Marbles, Seasons End, This Strange Engine (with this fantastic eponym epic), even AnorakNoPhobia, and Happiness Is The Road. Holidays In Eden is great too! Some FM songs but some great parts like "This Town suite"...
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Posted: December 13 2008 at 05:53 |
Fish's era: 'Misplaced Childhood' Hogarth's era: 'Seasons End'
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Posted: December 13 2008 at 05:47 |
Get all the other Fish-era albums (Fugazi, MC, CAS, and maybe even the Grendel EP). For the Hogarth-era, only "Brave" and "Marillion.com" (because of 'Interior Lulu') deserve attention...
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Posted: September 24 2008 at 01:39 |
I agree with chronological except that after Season's End don't go to Holidays in Eden next, skip ahead to Brave and AoS so as to hear the better music.
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Posted: September 23 2008 at 15:57 |
Check Marbles, Brave and Afraid of sunlight. All great albums!
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Posted: September 22 2008 at 21:54 |
Anaon wrote:
Prog-jester wrote:
Seasons End is the best from H-era!!! *runs away* |
Why not? I think it's one of the best as well!
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And they'll be performing it live in it's entirety at next year's convention. Gonna be special. Great album, by the way. E
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Posted: September 22 2008 at 21:05 |
progvortex wrote:
I just started listening to Misplaced Childhood, it's my first Marillion album. |
I'm listening to that one too right now. It's quite beautiful. I don't think I should have skipped over Fugazi but I can go back and listen to that one next.
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Posted: September 22 2008 at 05:28 |
progvortex wrote:
I just started listening to Misplaced Childhood, it's my first Marillion album. |
That was my first Marillion album too!
What's your opinion of it?
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Posted: September 21 2008 at 18:38 |
I just started listening to Misplaced Childhood, it's my first Marillion album.
Edited by progvortex - September 21 2008 at 18:38
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Posted: September 20 2008 at 18:30 |
I haven't heard the Hogarth era, but I assure from the Fish one, check Fugazi. Very similar style, with some slightly new wave influences. Though you could check out also Misplaced Childhood, the so-said "masterpiece" by them, not bad, but not as great as Script, IMHO of course.
Another good suggestion would be B-Sides Themselves, it has some very good outtakes, b-sides from the Fish Era.
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Posted: September 20 2008 at 17:15 |
I would reccomend Misplaced Childhood from the Fish era, though if you're going to listen chronologically then thats a good idea. :)
I always come back to Brave, it's an excellent concept album which took me a long time to "get". I would actually reccomend that to a prog fan but wouldn't reccomend to someone who doesn't listen to prog.
Their new album Happiness is the Road is also good and is availible legally for free via torrent sites.
Hey hey, thats 3 Marillion concept albums I've mentioned. :)
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Posted: September 12 2008 at 11:20 |
npjnpj wrote:
Jozef, please keep this thread alive through updates. I'm very interested in your opinion about the two different phases (Fish and post-Fish).
I really liked the Fish era, but I never got over the transition shock, and I've never appreciated later Marillion.
So, especially as you're apparently new to this band, please let us know what you think. Yours seems an ideal standpoint for getting a fresh angle. |
No problem, I think I may just listen to everything chronologically to
see the evolution of the group, rather than just jump around.
You should order yourself a copy of that sampler if you're still unfamiliar with the Hogarth period that they have on their website as well. Rushfan4 posted a link to it above. I remember Script being an excellent debut and I'd like to go back and listen to again as I am now re-exploring the group. I really wish they had added "Grendel" to the album though. Fish's vocals in general are so powerful and commanding.
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Posted: September 12 2008 at 03:14 |
Jozef, please keep this thread alive through updates. I'm very interested in your opinion about the two different phases (Fish and post-Fish).
I really liked the Fish era, but I never got over the transition shock, and I've never appreciated later Marillion.
So, especially as you're apparently new to this band, please let us know what you think. Yours seems an ideal standpoint for getting a fresh angle.
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Posted: September 12 2008 at 00:54 |
My personal choices would be Misplaced Childhood and Marbles, the best I've heard from the respective eras.
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Jozef
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Posted: September 12 2008 at 00:26 |
Thanks a bunch Rushfan4, I ordered myself a copy of the sampler.
And Naturalscience, I was considering "Brave" as my first Hogarth era album too. I always enjoy a good concept album.
Thanks for the other suggestions folks.
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