Where to start with Marillion?
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Topic: Where to start with Marillion?
Posted By: Jozef
Subject: Where to start with Marillion?
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 03:05
So Marillion is a group that I have been wanting to check out for a long time now. I only own "Script for a Jester's Tear" which is great but I'd like to explore this band much more. I know that they have quite a large discography and I really don't know where to go next, with both the Fish and Hogarth eras.
Any suggestions?
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 10:04
'Script' is my favouritest album ever .
Better go chronologically - get 'Fugazi', then 'Misplaced Childhood', etc. That's it
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 10:40
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Brave.
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 10:43
Clutching at Straws, then Misplaced Childhood, then Brave, Script, Marbles, and others.
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 11:01
From me, suggestion number 1 for getting to know Marillion is this compilation. http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=1772 - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=1772 It is a 2 CD set with the first CD including songs sung by Fish and the 2nd CD songs sung by Steve Hogarth. If you find songs that you like from here then you can go on to more specific albums.
From me, suggestion number 2 for getting to know Marillion is to go to their website and order this free sampler CD from them. http://www.marillion.com/listen/index.htm - http://www.marillion.com/listen/index.htm It appears that you can now immediately download the sampler so that you don't have to wait to receive the CD. This sampler should appease those who hate compilations because they are just away for the Music Companies to take money from our wallets. This compilation is free.
From me, suggestion number 3 for getting to know Marillion is to read the reviews on their PA page. http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=233 - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=233 Hopefully, somewhere within these reviews you will find the answer that you seek.
From me, suggestion number 4 for getting to know Marillion is to run a search on Marillion here on the forums. This question has been asked previously and the search will hopefully reveal these threads where suggestions have been given. Unfortunately, if you read these threads closely enough you will probably find at least one person to suggest each of their albums as the best starting point.
I hope that at least one of these suggestions helps.
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Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 11:09
Script for a Jesters Tear did it for me! Now i'm getting their other albums.
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Posted By: Hawkwise
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 11:26
Best thing they ever did all goes down hill from there for me Grendel top tune , As is Three Boats down from the candy
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 12:10
All the Fish albums are worth getting, Script being the best, imo..
I'm less keen on what I've heard of the Hogarth albums, although Marbles is generally pretty good, and 'Brave' is ok (I dont reccomend the DVD especially if you happen to be in wrist slashing mode.. )
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 12:19
Misplaced Childhood is a total gem, a truly beautiful album. If you
like that then Clutching At Straws is similar in vein (although
Hawkwise would disagree with that I'm sure ).
Marbles is a GREAT album, although it's entirely different than any
Fish era stuff. It's the only Hogarth album I have, but I'd highly
recommend it.
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 12:29
NaturalScience wrote:
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Brave.
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I've become THAT predictable, eh? I used to tell people that although Brave is my favorite, I wouldn't start off with it because of the heaviness (of the content); but, somebody else said something to the effect of, "Nah, I believe in hitting them over the head right out of the gate." I like that thinking.
But, as somebody said, maybe pick up a collection that has both eras and see which one you gravitate towards. To me, even though I loved both, the Hogarth era just appealed to me more.
E
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Posted By: Hawkwise
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 12:39
King By-Tor wrote:
Misplaced Childhood is a total gem, a truly beautiful album. If you
like that then Clutching At Straws is similar in vein (although
Hawkwise would disagree with that I'm sure ).
Marbles is a GREAT album, although it's entirely different than any
Fish era stuff. It's the only Hogarth album I have, but I'd highly
recommend it.
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Haha Yea Clutching At Straws i bought that on tape when it first came out terrible album on a side note i had a few Beers once with Fish back in the Marquee club days very nice chap
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 13:20
Script was my first, but I didn't follow the band for a long time after that. Afraid of Sunlight and Brave reignited my interest in them. I'm surprised no one has mentioned yet that their new one is available for download for free. I'm listening to it right now and it's quite good.
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Posted By: Anaon
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 13:21
If you want to listen to the more modern Marillion, I suggest you Marbles. My favourite one of the Fish era is Clutching At Straws...
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 13:38
Slartibartfast wrote:
Script was my first, but I didn't follow the band for a long time after that. Afraid of Sunlight and Brave reignited my interest in them. I'm surprised no one has mentioned yet that their new one is available for download for free. I'm listening to it right now and it's quite good.
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Afraid Of Sunlight is quite stunning, I have to agree. Might have to dial that one up on iTunes today.
E
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 14:54
Seasons End is the best from H-era!!! *runs away*
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Posted By: Anaon
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 14:58
Prog-jester wrote:
Seasons End is the best from H-era!!! *runs away* |
Why not? I think it's one of the best as well!
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Posted By: Jozef
Date Posted: September 12 2008 at 00:26
Thanks a bunch Rushfan4, I ordered myself a copy of the sampler.
And Naturalscience, I was considering "Brave" as my first Hogarth era album too. I always enjoy a good concept album.
Thanks for the other suggestions folks.
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Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: September 12 2008 at 00:54
My personal choices would be Misplaced Childhood and Marbles, the best I've heard from the respective eras.
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Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: September 12 2008 at 03:14
Jozef, please keep this thread alive through updates. I'm very interested in your opinion about the two different phases (Fish and post-Fish).
I really liked the Fish era, but I never got over the transition shock, and I've never appreciated later Marillion.
So, especially as you're apparently new to this band, please let us know what you think. Yours seems an ideal standpoint for getting a fresh angle.
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Posted By: Jozef
Date Posted: September 12 2008 at 11:20
npjnpj wrote:
Jozef, please keep this thread alive through updates. I'm very interested in your opinion about the two different phases (Fish and post-Fish).
I really liked the Fish era, but I never got over the transition shock, and I've never appreciated later Marillion.
So, especially as you're apparently new to this band, please let us know what you think. Yours seems an ideal standpoint for getting a fresh angle. |
No problem, I think I may just listen to everything chronologically to
see the evolution of the group, rather than just jump around.
You should order yourself a copy of that sampler if you're still unfamiliar with the Hogarth period that they have on their website as well. Rushfan4 posted a link to it above.
I remember Script being an excellent debut and I'd like to go back and listen to again as I am now re-exploring the group. I really wish they had added "Grendel" to the album though. Fish's vocals in general are so powerful and commanding.
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Posted By: Tearful Jester
Date Posted: September 20 2008 at 17:15
I would reccomend Misplaced Childhood from the Fish era, though if you're going to listen chronologically then thats a good idea. :)
I always come back to Brave, it's an excellent concept album which took me a long time to "get". I would actually reccomend that to a prog fan but wouldn't reccomend to someone who doesn't listen to prog.
Their new album Happiness is the Road is also good and is availible legally for free via torrent sites.
Hey hey, thats 3 Marillion concept albums I've mentioned. :)
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: September 20 2008 at 18:30
I haven't heard the Hogarth era, but I assure from the Fish one, check Fugazi. Very similar style, with some slightly new wave influences. Though you could check out also Misplaced Childhood, the so-said "masterpiece" by them, not bad, but not as great as Script, IMHO of course.
Another good suggestion would be B-Sides Themselves, it has some very good outtakes, b-sides from the Fish Era.
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Posted By: progvortex
Date Posted: September 21 2008 at 18:38
I just started listening to Misplaced Childhood, it's my first Marillion album.
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Posted By: Tearful Jester
Date Posted: September 22 2008 at 05:28
progvortex wrote:
I just started listening to Misplaced Childhood, it's my first Marillion album. |
That was my first Marillion album too!
What's your opinion of it?
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Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: September 22 2008 at 17:23
Prog-jester wrote:
'Script' is my favouritest album ever .
Better go chronologically - get 'Fugazi', then 'Misplaced Childhood', etc. That's it | My thoughts exactly
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Posted By: Jozef
Date Posted: September 22 2008 at 21:05
progvortex wrote:
I just started listening to Misplaced Childhood, it's my first Marillion album. |
I'm listening to that one too right now. It's quite beautiful. I don't think I should have skipped over Fugazi but I can go back and listen to that one next.
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 22 2008 at 21:54
Anaon wrote:
Prog-jester wrote:
Seasons End is the best from H-era!!! *runs away* |
Why not? I think it's one of the best as well!
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And they'll be performing it live in it's entirety at next year's convention. Gonna be special.
Great album, by the way.
E
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Posted By: Anthony
Date Posted: September 23 2008 at 15:57
Check Marbles, Brave and Afraid of sunlight. All great albums!
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Posted By: kenmartree
Date Posted: September 24 2008 at 01:39
I agree with chronological except that after Season's End don't go to Holidays in Eden next, skip ahead to Brave and AoS so as to hear the better music.
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Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: December 13 2008 at 05:47
Get all the other Fish-era albums (Fugazi, MC, CAS, and maybe even the Grendel EP). For the Hogarth-era, only "Brave" and "Marillion.com" (because of 'Interior Lulu') deserve attention...
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Posted By: Grobsch
Date Posted: December 13 2008 at 05:53
Fish's era: 'Misplaced Childhood' Hogarth's era: 'Seasons End'
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Posted By: Anaon
Date Posted: December 13 2008 at 10:20
prog4evr wrote:
For the Hogarth-era, only "Brave" and "Marillion.com" (because of 'Interior Lulu') deserve attention...
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It's funny how things are subjective Brave is considered as one of their best stuffs with H but you should try Marbles, Seasons End, This Strange Engine (with this fantastic eponym epic), even AnorakNoPhobia, and Happiness Is The Road. Holidays In Eden is great too! Some FM songs but some great parts like "This Town suite"...
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Posted By: snippygal
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 14:11
My apologies in advance for the forthcoming Wall of Text, and me being a newbie and all. That said...
I am a fan of all Marillion - some albums are better than others, just like with any band possessing an expansive catalog of music. I started out with Fish (my favorite album of that era is Clutching at Straws), and after giving Hogarth one chance, decided I didn't like them anymore. For me, the Marillion catalog began and ended with the first 4 studio albums.
Fast-forward a decade, and I'm desperate for new music in the progressive vein. I saw that Marillion had continued to put out new albums all these years even without the formidable Fish, and that the albums had plenty of decent reviews from seemingly knowledgeable listeners on Amazon.com. (This was before I knew about ProgArchives!)
So I gave the new era a chance again and WOW. I'm in love all over. Some albums, not so much - the first two Hogarth albums (Seasons End and Holidays in Eden) strike me as a little weak, a sort of bridge between the two eras. They seem to have Fish's thoughts in Steve's voice... and neither sounds quite right.
Hogarth and the band seemed to get more comfortable in their skin together in the subsequent albums. Again, among these, there are a few less-than-stellar songs, but overall the band continues to grow and mature. There are those who don't care for the commercial direction the music seems to be taking, but I love it - I love the new albums and I love the old ones, and most of the ones in between.
But just because Marillion are deemed by some as more commercial than they once were, this doesn't necessarily mean the music is less worth listening to. I've been listening to all sorts of prog and neo-prog for over 30 years, and I know everyone has their opinion - I'm no different! I love the direction they've been taking with their last few albums.
Rush once described their music as occurring in chapters. They tended to close each chapter of 3-4 studio albums with a live album before moving on to the next chapter. In this case, for them, a chapter meant "a direction they were taking" with their music. There are very clear differences between the first four albums (their transition from hard rock to progressive) and the next four (progressive into more mainstream hard rock), and so on. I believe any good band, progressive or otherwise, moves through chapters this way. Why would you want your band to produce the same sort of sound over and over? It's good for them to mature and grow, even if you're not crazy about their effort on a particular release.
I know this has strayed from the topic of where, exactly, to start with Marillion. I think your idea of going chronologically is interesting, but it might be good to jump around a bit - if you don't care much for the Fish sound, you may not be inspired to keep going! Likewise, if you just started with the first couple of h-era albums, you might not want to keep going, either. And as with many progressive bands, the album that ultimately hooks you for life may be one you're not sure about upon first listen. My favorites overall include (as mentioned), Clutching at Straws, Happiness is the Road, Marbles, Afraid of Sunlight and Fugazi.
Sorry for the long-winded note. Hope this is helpful to anyone reading it.
-Erica
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 14:17
Nice response Erica, and welcome to the PA club.
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 14:24
Yeah, listening to the albums in the order they were released is really the way to go, in my opinion.
Fugazi was rushed, but still has alot of great moments on it.
Misplaced Childhood is fabtastic, but it is overrated slightly, in my opinion. I've compaired to to Pink Floyd's "The Wall" before, and I still hold to that, but to hear some of the fanboys talk, MP is the greatest album ever to exist. Just don't go into it with any preconcieved notions and you'll love it.
Clutching At Straws took awhile for me to get into, but once I did, it became one of my most-listened Marillion records.
After that they went pop. Steve Hogarth is very good, and much more melodic in his vocal style, so it fits the more straightforward style of the band from that point on.
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Posted By: Jozef
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 14:35
As far as the Hogarth albums go, I just recently got the "Crash Course" sampler CD that is free to order off of Marillion's website. It offers about eight songs from a few of the Hogarth era albums and I am quite pleased with the way they sound. "Estonia" has to be one of the most mesmerizing songs I've heard.
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