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Dee Snarl ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: November 27 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 20 |
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I think this is the most functional definition, in the sense that a toilet seat is just an object until Duchamp puts it in an art gallery, when it becomes art (good or not). It's all about context; when something is presented as music, it becomes music. Thus, birdsongs in nature are "noise" (or "not-art"), pretty though they may be, but when recorded and, well, sold, they become art (though I'm not sure whose
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keiser willhelm ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 14 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1697 |
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the two bands i thought of were Sun O))) and Merzbow. Sun O))) verges on post but barely. Its drone, feedback and effects. Merzbow is strait up insanity in Mp3 format. noise to me is something closer to merzbow.
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mithrandir ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 25 2006 Location: New Mexico Status: Offline Points: 933 |
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argh! I wish you would have posted in my OOIOO thread!
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Tiresias ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 03 2005 Status: Offline Points: 560 |
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Good examples of noise shows: The International Noise Conference:
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Wh'ghal ng'fth mglw'y Ry'leh, Cthulhu fhtagn...
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Tiresias ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 03 2005 Status: Offline Points: 560 |
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Noise has been my thing for quite awhile now, and early appreciation of prog and post rock has really helped set the mood. Prog fans could find a lot to like with noise. Most bands use unconventional instruments and experiment with new and interesting sounds and ways to use traditional instruments.
There's also a good amount of vintage synths used by these bands, though they're often unrecognizable due to all the pedal effects and homemade patches they use.
For noise-rock stuff (rhythmic, tribal, choppy, discordant. Good for Krautrock, Industrial, Black metal, Grindcore fans)
- Sightings: Through the Panama
- Wolf Eyes: Human Animal, Dog Jaw
- Prurient: Fossil, And Still, Wanting
- Boredoms: Vision Creation Newsun, Seadrum
- OOIOO: Taiga
- WHITEHOUSE: literally anything
- Sonic Youth: Confusion is Sex, Bad Moon Rising
- Swans: Public Castration is a Good Thing
- Xiu Xiu: Knife Play, The Air Force
- Sword Heaven: Entrance
- Animal Collective: anything, especially Sung Tongs and Strawberry Jam
- Black Dice: Load Blown
- Nurse With Wound: Chance Meeting on a Dissection Table
Droning noise (for fans of Tangerine Dream, Eno)
- Burning Star Core: Operator Dead, Post Abandoned, The Very Heart of the World
- Pocahaunted: Island Diamonds
- Nadja: Corrasion
- Sunn O))): Black One, White1
- Oren Ambarchi: In the Pendulum's Embrace
- Earth: The Bees Made Honey in the Lion's Skull, Earth 2
- Merzbow: 1930, Tauromachine, Tamago
- Stars of the Lid: The Tired Sounds of Stars of the Lid
- Tim Hecker: Harmony in Ultraviolet
- Emeralds: anything you can find
All these bands range from calm ambient music to crushing distortion, whining feedback and tortured screaming. Noise music is not for everyone, but if you can get into the soundscapes or the moods behind the music, it really becomes something special for the listener. Of course, see these groups live. The sound is so much bigger and more enveloping, plus the shows border on performance art.
Noise is an extremely fringe music genre that doesn't appeal to many people. Because of the isolation, some bands (none that I've listed here and, frankly, none worth listening to) espouse extremist views ranging from anarchy to National Socialism. This is seen in other genres, such as black metal, although NSBM is less apparent in message than NS Noise or Punk. I don't support the philosophies of these groups, and don't want PA or anyone else to associate noise or Black Metal with hatred or racism.
I've met several of the artists that I've listed here, and, for the most part, they are non-threating nerds who smoke a lot of weed. They're also extremely friendly and down to earth and actively hang out with fans at shows.
Most of these artists are extremely prolific, releasing dozens of cassettes, LPs, 7-inches and CD-Rs.
Cheers, PA. Any questions? Edited by Tiresias - July 06 2008 at 12:13 |
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Cthulu ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: February 29 2008 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 37 |
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In regards to the question of whether music is intentional or not, I submit John Cage's "4'33" in which the performer sits at a piano completely motionless for exactly 4 minutes 33 seconds, with the RANDOM ambient noises in the performance space forming the "music".
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Cthulu ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: February 29 2008 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 37 |
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"The Box. You opened it. We came."
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verrata ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: July 08 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 24 |
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Noise rock always seemed a little more punk to me than anything else in its anarchic sensibility. In that regard, The Liars seem to be about on the money to me. However, probably the closest thing youll find to Noise progressive is Tv on the Radio. I think they're also about as close as your ever gonna come to prog-punk either, for that matter. There is a reason their album Return to Cookie Mountain was such a critics darling. A real stew of about every genre you can think of mixed beautifully. Not just noise as chaos as music, instead they find noise (wind chimes, typewriters, tv fuzz) and turn it into music of energy and passion. Very highly recommended!!!
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Shakespeare ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 18 2006 Status: Offline Points: 7744 |
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As far as I see it, all music is nothing more than noise.
The two words signify the same thing: a perception of the exterior via the ears. ![]()
I will have to disagree with you here and call up the wisdom of John Cage: All sound is music. Surely things that are accidental can be merited as music, whether the accident is by man or by nature. By this I mean that Henry Cow's absurd improvisations are full of accidental noise, but I wouldn't dream of not calling it music! Equally, a waterfall, crafted by nature, makes a very satisfying fwoooosh noise, which I think is a purer form of music. But that's just me...and Cage... Edited by Shakespeare - July 02 2008 at 12:51 |
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Fight Club ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: May 21 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 572 |
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But none of those are intentionally inserted into the music. |
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laplace ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 06 2005 Location: popupControl(); Status: Offline Points: 7606 |
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poor aleatoric music o:( poor "leaving records spinning for a very long time to the point where they become worn down and scuffed" projects o:( poor found-sound collages o:( poor randomised sound installations o:( |
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Fight Club ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: May 21 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 572 |
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There's no such thing as noise music. Noise is determined by the communication process, not how pleasant or unpleasant it is to one's ears. If the sound being made is intentional then it's classified as sound, if it's unintentional it's noise. All music is intentional.
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darkshade ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 19 2005 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 10964 |
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Bogdanovich gets noisy
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A B Negative ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 02 2006 Location: Methil Republic Status: Offline Points: 1594 |
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Edited by A B Negative - July 01 2008 at 11:38 |
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"The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time."
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bazza1963 ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: May 04 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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Yep, check out Jasun Martz "The Pillory / The Battle" . Jasun worked with Zappa and Eddie Jobson in the 70's and released the initial "Pillory" album in 76. The sequel features 115 member orchestra from all over the world playing this incredible orchestral / noise symphony. I played wind synth on this album
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stonebeard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
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See: Flaming Lips' Oh My Gawd... and Telepathic Surgery ![]() |
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Cthulu ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: February 29 2008 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 37 |
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Well, there's Krautrock (which is as we all know a sub-genre of Prog) band, Faust, whose song "Krautrock" consists of cascading sheets of guitar drones and feedback. I think the band The Saqqara Dogs would also fall into the category because of their noisy Middle Eastern/Arabic influenced experimental rock.
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Aspiring hope ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 03 2006 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 198 |
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If I understood the terms correctly, I think Ephel Duath is a pretty enjoyable bridge of prog to noise and a somewhat painful, yet artistic, leaning towards dissonance.
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jmcdaniel_ee ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 25 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 141 |
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Lairs Drum's Not Dead is a great experimental/noise/dare-I-say-progressive album. I highly recommend it!!!
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Toaster Mantis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 12 2008 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 5898 |
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Cool. I might go check out this band when I decide to branch into noise. |
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