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Vegetableman
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Topic: pop like prog Posted: April 08 2005 at 22:48 |
PAVLOV's DOG ... my personal art rock favorite (and what a remarkable resemblance to Geddy Lee on vocals)
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"Mister Fripp, your music is quite different than everything else out there. In one word, how would you describe it?"
"Progressive.... yeah, that's it..."
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 22:41 |
90125 is genius. why is it so accessible? Trevor
Horn produced this gem after producing Who's
Afraid of...., he is one of the genius's that got away
from the record companies for a couple of albums.
Jon saw the genius as he did with Vangelis,
Tangerine Dream and Kitaro and cashed in on it.
Hey, you didnt have any progressive rock output from
England in the 80s except Peter Gabriel -3. Art of
Noise - whose afraid of ..... and Yes - 90125, better
take what you can get, the recording industry was
drying out your brain!
Forget the past this is better AOR than YES ever
created, lyrically much more revealing then they had
ever been and the songs are very well written. I am a
veteran of the progressive scene and you got some
of the best after Relayer from 90125 if you knew it or
not!
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 20:18 |
mirco wrote:
Karnevil9 wrote:
Keke wrote:
Well, Lucky Man, as well... |
Well a comment like that will find you claiming that every prog band who had an hit singles would be a pop single?
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So you can state that a Yes song is pop, but can't stand the affirmation that a ELP song is pop? Very democratic, sir.
BTW, I do think that both songs ARE pop-ish. Which doesn't means that are bad songs.
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Sorry to dissapoint you but '90125' is a total embarresment to the name of past yes.The album is a pathetic excuse for an album.It is 100% pop music for the radio.
Lucky man may be a catchy tune but for crying out loaud it's not a pop song..
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 15:30 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Trouserpress wrote:
I've never found a neo-prog
band that isn't guilty of recording their fair share of pop songs.
That's why I've basically given up on them altogether. The reason I
started listening to prog was because I hated pop. It didn't excite me,
it didn't challenge me. If I'd wanted cosy little tunes then I would
never have got into prog. Personally I can't get my head round Yes fans
who claim to love 90125 as much as Close to the Edge or Relayer...
they're two different bands! One plays complex, grandiose, intelligent
music and the other plays tame, cheesey synth-pop for the radio. For
me, a pop song on a prog album is nothing more than a blemish.
But hey, I can't stand Spock's Beard anyway. They've never played a progressive note in their life.
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What do you mean? They are not Prog rock? How come? Too tuneful I expect. too many good melodies for you! |
I mean they are not progressive. They do nothing new. They are not in
the least bit innovative or adventurous. Their music is a mish mash of
the very worst aspects of Yes, Genesis and ELP. Still, each to his own,
I gues..
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 10:24 |
Trouserpress wrote:
I've never found a neo-prog band that isn't guilty of recording their fair share of pop songs. That's why I've basically given up on them altogether. The reason I started listening to prog was because I hated pop. It didn't excite me, it didn't challenge me. If I'd wanted cosy little tunes then I would never have got into prog. Personally I can't get my head round Yes fans who claim to love 90125 as much as Close to the Edge or Relayer... they're two different bands! One plays complex, grandiose, intelligent music and the other plays tame, cheesey synth-pop for the radio. For me, a pop song on a prog album is nothing more than a blemish.
But hey, I can't stand Spock's Beard anyway. They've never played a progressive note in their life.
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What do you mean? They are not Prog rock? How come? Too tuneful I expect. too many good melodies for you!
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 09:47 |
That would cover most of neo-prog, art rock, AOR.
My guilty pleasures are: early Saga, Kate Bush, Queen, Toto, Styx,
Ambrosia, Roxy Music, The Alan Parsons Project, Boston, 10cc, XTC...
Some stuff is cheezy but still more intertaining than regular pop.
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 09:31 |
Why is it that prog bands write the best pop songs? "Owner of a Lonely Heart" and "Mr. Roboto" are two guilty pleasures that I find an absolute joy to listen to... Maybe it's that I like pop afterall, but I need it to be in the guise of prog in order to personally justify it...
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 09:17 |
what about "turn it on again" by genesis, "money" and "another brick in the wall (part two)" by pink floyd, "mr roboto" by styx.
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 09:14 |
I've never found a neo-prog band that isn't guilty of recording their
fair share of pop songs. That's why I've basically given up on them
altogether. The reason I started listening to prog was because I hated
pop. It didn't excite me, it didn't challenge me. If I'd wanted cosy
little tunes then I would never have got into prog. Personally I can't
get my head round Yes fans who claim to love 90125 as much as Close to
the Edge or Relayer... they're two different bands! One plays complex,
grandiose, intelligent music and the other plays tame, cheesey
synth-pop for the radio. For me, a pop song on a prog album is nothing
more than a blemish.
But hey, I can't stand Spock's Beard anyway. They've never played a progressive note in their life.
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 07:51 |
Karnevil9 wrote:
Keke wrote:
Well, Lucky Man, as well... |
Well a comment like that will find you claiming that every prog band who had an hit singles would be a pop single?
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So you can state that a Yes song is pop, but can't stand the affirmation that a ELP song is pop? Very democratic, sir.
BTW, I do think that both songs ARE pop-ish. Which doesn't means that are bad songs.
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Please forgive me for my crappy english!
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 07:39 |
I think a topic like this could be very intresting but at the same time could get out of control.
If anyone has say a copy of Pink Floyds 'UMMAGUMMA' you'll find on the rear of the vinyl sleeve in small print under the Catalogue number ...**FILED UNDER POPULAR MUSIC**... Pop music is short for popular music,Is Ummagumma pop then? I think not.
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 07:36 |
Keke wrote:
Well, Lucky Man, as well... |
Well a comment like that will find you claiming that every prog band who had an hit singles would be a pop single?
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 07:32 |
Well, Lucky Man, as well...
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 07:25 |
Bang from the top of my head Yes 'Owner of a lonely heart'
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 07:21 |
Yeah... methinks he's right.
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 03:24 |
penguindf12 wrote:
Shouldn't it be "prog that sounds like pop" rather than "pop that sounds like prog"? ![](smileys/smiley2.gif) |
I guess so
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 01:50 |
Shouldn't it be "prog that sounds like pop" rather than "pop that sounds like prog"?
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 01:46 |
Maybe they are only modest...
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 01:43 |
I think its a good thing, its like the one or two good things of pop mixed with the multitude of goodness of prog. Yay for sentimental prog
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Posted: April 07 2005 at 04:14 |
I think it's just them writing another song really. Where they feel they wanna break away from the "Progginess" and play one or two songs that are more easy-listening.
Meh, does that make sense?
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