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Jim Garten 
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 Topic: ...They spit on the face of Rock, No?
Posted: April 11 2005 at 03:50 |
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This thread is a fine example of not judging a book by it's cover; I've always avoided reading this thread due to it's title, but I thought I'd give it a quick look, and it turns out to be a fine, well mannered, and occasionally funny debate...
I remember those!
Well done everyone, keep it up - if I can think of anything vaguely intelligent to say on the subject, I shall chip in.
Mind you, Green Day's vocalist really wants to sound like the chap from The Levellers...
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con safo
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Posted: April 11 2005 at 01:13 |
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Posted: April 11 2005 at 01:07 |
 James Lee wrote:
Prog is more obviously appealing to those of us who like to evaluate...as a group, we're probably more focused on the musicians' skills than many music fans. This approach does tend to make us more appreciative, on possibly a deeper level, but it can also lead us to believe that skill and complexity is more important than the ultimate effect of the work.
Personally, I believe that objectively "better" music doesn't always have to be your "preferred" music. You can appreciate a well-done work without having any real personal enjoyment. You can also dislike something which is obviously superior in construction but doesn't do for you what you want a work of music to do.
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Very, very true. My wise and beautiful wife has a saying for this.
"Too much w**kery doesn't acheieve anything if you can't get off to it."
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James Lee
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Posted: April 10 2005 at 22:06 |
Prog is more obviously appealing to those of us who like to evaluate...as a group, we're probably more focused on the musicians' skills than many music fans. This approach does tend to make us more appreciative, on possibly a deeper level, but it can also lead us to believe that skill and complexity is more important than the ultimate effect of the work.
Personally, I believe that objectively "better" music doesn't always have to be your "preferred" music. You can appreciate a well-done work without having any real personal enjoyment. You can also dislike something which is obviously superior in construction but doesn't do for you what you want a work of music to do.
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Posted: April 10 2005 at 15:48 |
Next time someone insults Led Zeppelin like that, kick them in the groin very hard so they can't reproduce. 
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Posted: April 10 2005 at 15:41 |
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I'm elitist, but not in terms of prog. For me to like something it usually has to have something considerably original/unique. Apart from lots of drone and funeral doom metal, which for some reason I like regardless.
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Posted: April 10 2005 at 15:39 |
Jim Prog Wizard wrote:
It really gets to me when prog fans are denounced as arrogant and elitest for saying that they think a particular type of non-prog music is sh*t. We're all entitled to our own opinions.
Personally, Green Day don't do anything for me at all, musically speaking. I like some stuff from the hip-hop, folk, jazz and blues worlds, but nothing I've heard from such artists (for the most part) has ever affected me in the same way that the "prog" bands I listen to have. To me, they are superior both intellectually and musically, but that's just me. Does this make me a snob? No, only human.
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Well, we are arrogant and elitist.
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Posted: April 10 2005 at 15:35 |
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It really gets to me when prog fans are denounced as arrogant and
elitest for saying that they think a particular type of non-prog music
is sh*t. We're all entitled to our own opinions.
Personally, Green Day don't do anything for me at all, musically
speaking. I like some stuff from the hip-hop, folk, jazz and
blues worlds, but nothing I've heard from such artists (for the most
part) has ever affected me in the same way that the "prog" bands I
listen to have. To me, they are superior both intellectually and
musically, but that's just me. Does this make me a snob?
No, only human.
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"Progressive Rock is the ultimate form of music" (Mikael Akerfeldt, 2003)
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Posted: April 09 2005 at 23:09 |
FuzzyDude wrote:
Arsillus wrote:
I saw on the cover of a recent "Entertainment Weekly:"
"GREEN DAY SAVE ROCK."
From Entertainmentweekly.com:
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How Green Day saved rock -- and their own career. The elder statesmen of pop-punk talk about longevity, Grammys, and crafting their smartest album yet: ''American Idiot'' by Tom Sinclair
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FRUITFUL EFFORT With ''American Idiot,'' Dirnt, Cool, and Armstrong have rocketed to the top of the charts.
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I vomited.
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Aha! So the Mars Volta aren't REALLY the saviours of rock after all!
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Posted: April 09 2005 at 20:15 |
Arsillus wrote:
I saw on the cover of a recent "Entertainment Weekly:"
"GREEN DAY SAVE ROCK."
From Entertainmentweekly.com:
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How Green Day saved rock -- and their own career. The elder statesmen of pop-punk talk about longevity, Grammys, and crafting their smartest album yet: ''American Idiot'' by Tom Sinclair
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FRUITFUL EFFORT With ''American Idiot,'' Dirnt, Cool, and Armstrong have rocketed to the top of the charts.
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I vomited.
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Aha! So the Mars Volta aren't REALLY the saviours of rock after all!
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Posted: April 09 2005 at 20:14 |
Peter wrote:
FuzzyDude wrote:
I think all new and exciting music is by definition alternative. I mean, come on!! There's no way you can convince me Green Day is more alternative than, oh I don't know, Syd Barrett or King Crimson. Noone wakes up and says to himself, 'Man, this Peter Gabriel guy is a f**king sissy with his undead child molestors and medieval blood baths... I want something alternative... gimme that Simple Plan CD, bitch!'
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 Wha da??? A little FUZZY there, Dude....
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Well, I might be going a bit overboard... but I'm sure I score points for imagination!
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Posted: April 09 2005 at 19:18 |
Waht's the matter with Green Day?
They're as good as MTV 
Or Britney Spears
JAJAJAJAJAJAJA
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Arsillus
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Posted: April 09 2005 at 18:49 |
I saw on the cover of a recent "Entertainment Weekly:"
"GREEN DAY SAVE ROCK."
From Entertainmentweekly.com:
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How Green Day saved rock -- and their own career. The elder statesmen of pop-punk talk about longevity, Grammys, and crafting their smartest album yet: ''American Idiot'' by Tom Sinclair
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FRUITFUL EFFORT With ''American Idiot,'' Dirnt, Cool, and Armstrong have rocketed to the top of the charts.
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I vomited.
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Posted: April 09 2005 at 16:35 |
Captain Fudge wrote:
You know, punk isn't bad. Greenday isn't punk, as they claim, they're just emo, and my new signature will clear things up about my opinio on emo and the so-called revolution /breath of fresh air it represents.Punk bropught us The Melvins, who in turn gave us King Buzzo (Buzz Osbourne), who brought us FANTOMAS . The last decent punk band were, IMO, Nirvan. Since then, no notable band has ever respected the punk aesthetics, if you get my drift
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Green Day is nothing to do with emo! Emo's usually has screamy vocals and heavy playing, a la Rites of Spring, or even dry, drawn out arty writing like Drive Like Jehu and hasn't had any popular bands since 1995 or so!
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Posted: April 09 2005 at 16:30 |
Reed Lover wrote:
What's wrong with you guys?
Have any of you actually heard the album? Thought not!
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I downloaded the two (three?) longish tracks from it, in the hope that it was some form of revelation. It was slightly interesting for one or two listens, but ultimately very similar to any other Green Day song, but longer and with the odd time signature changeup (i think).
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Posted: April 09 2005 at 10:43 |
Shatterwolf wrote:
Today at lunch,my friends and I were swapping
CD's, when one of my friends, Rob came over. I asked him if he wanted
to borrow my Led Zep' CD, and he said alright. Two seconds into "Black
Dog" and he said they simply sucked. I couldn't believe it. He said the
only band for him was Green Day.They suck. Every "cool" kid in my
school likes them,and it totally ruins the bands originality. What's
more, soon everyone will forget the classics, and the artists with true
talent. Do you guys actually like this crap? I can barely distinguish
one note from another, it sounds so bad.
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Going off with this point, myfriends like some pretty good stuff (Led
Zeppelin, The Beatles, Queen) and lots of other old stuff. In my school
i was thinking kids started liking old stuff more. I don't know it
might just be me. Oh and that review is ridiculous, if he had been
living for at least 25 years you think his taste in music may have
progressed past Green Day...
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Posted: April 09 2005 at 10:00 |
A friend of mine told me she liked the new Green Day album because it reminded her of songs and albums from her youth (in the 70s) which told a story. This is not a teen, or even a desperately trendy 20 or 30-something...this is a woman in her 40s whose tastes are typically mature and open-minded.
I'm a lot less generous with my opinions in real life, so I didn't treat her to my overwhelmingly negative criticisms of the band and album. But it made me think, anyway.
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Posted: April 09 2005 at 02:24 |
FuzzyDude wrote:
I think all new and exciting music is by definition alternative. I mean, come on!! There's no way you can convince me Green Day is more alternative than, oh I don't know, Syd Barrett or King Crimson. Noone wakes up and says to himself, 'Man, this Peter Gabriel guy is a f**king sissy with his undead child molestors and medieval blood baths... I want something alternative... gimme that Simple Plan CD, bitch!'
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Wha da??? A little FUZZY there, Dude....
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 16:05 |
I think all new and exciting music is by definition alternative. I mean, come on!! There's no way you can convince me Green Day is more alternative than, oh I don't know, Syd Barrett or King Crimson. Noone wakes up and says to himself, 'Man, this Peter Gabriel guy is a f**king sissy with his undead child molestors and medieval blood baths... I want something alternative... gimme that Simple Plan CD, bitch!'
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 15:42 |
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Progressive death metal certainly deserves to be in the archives, because they have more in common with prog rock than they do traditional death metal.
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