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    Posted: March 31 2005 at 04:38
I'm 24, but I usually feel 50 and look 12 after I shave, am I allowed to post in this thread?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 31 2005 at 02:37
Originally posted by Karnevil9 Karnevil9 wrote:

Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:

i am only 17, warped by the sounds of the MTV generation, i may not get the same out of it that you did back in the day but how can i? At least i listen to stuff from the 70s, most people i know just blow it off with the thought that "if it was made before i was born then it cant be good", people i know treat old music as handicaped.

Also K9, have you tried buying modern prog albums on vinyl???

How many more f**king times Frenchie.

 

So you're back?.. the loving.. sweet K9..

I've by the way tried elp - elp another time (Yes the original vinyl!).. but I still think it's crap..


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 31 2005 at 02:22
Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Come on frenchie - you'll be saying next that it's illogical and narrow minded to dismiss an album by its date of release. Tut tut - the youth of today, eh?



(I had to correct the grammar though. The adults of today, eh? )



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2005 at 14:17

Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:

i am only 17, warped by the sounds of the MTV generation, i may not get the same out of it that you did back in the day but how can i? At least i listen to stuff from the 70s, most people i know just blow it off with the thought that "if it was made before i was born then it cant be good", people i know treat old music as handicaped.

Also K9, have you tried buying modern prog albums on vinyl???

How many more f**king times Frenchie.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2005 at 13:55

Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

... and I really love the three drum beats at the end....


I thought that was Palmer dropping the sticks, saying, "bugger this, Greg, fancy a pint?"

No,  thats at the start of The Sheriff where you hear him break a stick and go 'sh*t'....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2005 at 13:54
Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

So Reed, when your wife goes to give you a blow job, do you also think of me then??

Or does she not bother to do that anymore.. and thats why you think of me and BJs ??

Just wondering

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I can understand that... since you seem to get so carried away with thinking about me... you tend to forget what you're doing... I see thats the same with your sex life also...  Must be hard on the wife....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2005 at 12:30

Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Come on frenchie - you'll be saying next that it's illogical and narrow minded to dismiss an album by its date of release.

Tut tut - the youth of today, eh?

(I had to correct the grammar though. The adults of today, eh? )

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2005 at 11:41
Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

... and I really love the three drum beats at the end....


I thought that was Palmer dropping the sticks, saying, "bugger this, Greg, fancy a pint?"

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2005 at 11:39
Come on frenchie - you'll be saying next that it's illogical and narrow minded to dismiss an album by it's date of release.

Tut tut - the youth of today, eh?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2005 at 10:30
i am only 17, warped by the sounds of the MTV generation, i may not get the same out of it that you did back in the day but how can i? At least i listen to stuff from the 70s, most people i know just blow it off with the thought that "if it was made before i was born then it cant be good", people i know treat old music as handicaped.

Also K9, have you tried buying modern prog albums on vinyl???

and what about anglagard, they only use recording equipment and instruments that were available before 1974 or something, and they released their albums on vinyl.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2005 at 10:27
Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:



 But i am giving ELP a chance, not blowing em !

Hey,stop taking cheap shots at Threefates,lad!Angry

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So Reed, when your wife goes to give you a blow job, do you also think of me then??

Or does she not bother to do that anymore.. and thats why you think of me and BJs ??

Just wondering

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2005 at 08:33

'Lucky Man' is a fine song, but I have to agree with Jim about the Moog solo. threefates describes it in a way that seems to justify it to her.

But, my ears dont like it. It sounds completely innapropriate after such a moving song. It sounds like Keith Emerson just showing off his new Moog toy, and not being patient enough to wait until they wrote a song where it did work properly.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2005 at 08:07

Well listening to it now even for the first time, after having experienced years of synths, does not compare to being able to listen to it the first time, when you'd never heard a synth before. 

I thought the ending to Lucky Man when I first heard it, was the coolest thing I'd ever heard.  It sounded like a perfect ending to me for someone who had just died so violently... and I really love the three drum beats at the end....

BTW... that was a first run for Keith, never played the thing before.  He wanted to do it over a second time, but Greg said no, he liked it the way it was.  I can imagine that if Keith had been given a second go... that solo would of been about 5 times longer than the original.. so I think its perfect just the way it is also. (And I've heard Keith's longer version of it)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2005 at 02:43
Originally posted by Karnevil9 Karnevil9 wrote:

 '''''''yet it has a stupid ending which sounds like you are being chased by an ambulance or something!''''''''


Do you actually know what's going off there?First portable synthesizer!'MINI MOOG' of which not many people had heard off,a fantastic show piece that was taken on by virtually every prog band to follow.To hear a 'MINI MOOG' solo on a rock records was truly fantastic especially in the fasion keith did it making use of the powerful Oscolators/filters the synth had on offer.Even though the big 'Moog modular system he used prior to this was technically superior but you just could'nt get the sound & easy accesability the potable had.



OK, so Frenchie's description of an ambulance was maybe a little off centre - however, this does not detract from his basic critique, i.e. it's not a very good solo.

Sorry, KE9, I happen to love the track (as I do most of ELP from this period), but even I can appreciate the fact that KE's Moog solo seems tacked on the end at the last minute, goes on too long, meanders without purpose, and leads the song itself to a messy conclusion - frankly sounding as if Lake, then Palmer get bored, and wander off.

Just because you're the first to do something, doesn't automatically mean you're the best at it.

Just don't get me started on Hendrix...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 23:11
Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:

cat food by crimson? lol

its far too good to be anything that ELP ever wrote anyway

 

Thats funny, Catfood and the song Karn Evil 9 were written by the same guy.

 

 

 

Yeh it's ok Linda i know,this is what puzzled me with his statement.

The man tarketh bollux

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 23:02
Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:



 But i am giving ELP a chance, not blowing em !

Hey,stop taking cheap shots at Threefates,lad!Angry

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So Reed, when your wife goes to give you a blow job, do you also think of me then??

Or does she not bother to do that anymore.. and thats why you think of me and BJs ??

Just wondering

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 23:01
Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:

cat food by crimson? lol

its far too good to be anything that ELP ever wrote anyway

 

Thats funny, Catfood and the song Karn Evil 9 were written by the same guy.

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 20:57
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 19:42
Originally posted by aqualung28 aqualung28 wrote:

Well, ok then. I don't see why, I hear a great deal of Sabbath/ELP/Crimson/Beatles influence.

 

Sorry aqualung,there's nothing there that turns me on.This is very personal to me which others may feel the same with.Set aside the bizzare lyrics & originality of early stuff.It's the atmosphere  that does it for me.This is completely dead from the out set though if you listern to CD.The raw production reproduction & warmth given by vinyl playback terms is the key to the sound & body,it is imperative you have the highest quality audio system though to fully appreciate this.The newer material, even though very poor in contend will never have the feeling of the old recording,well their digitally mastered & most probably recordeed that way for a start,you see most bands rely too much on technology weither it be recording techniques,the way they write or the influences already set into their brains.Never ever will a new band create all the old bands & techniques created back then.

 

 

 

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